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French mantel clock - help to identify


tyl

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Gents - relative has an old (?) french mantel clock in a sterling case.  I polished it for the first tim e in some thirty years and wound it.  It keeps perfect time but will only run if lying on its side.  Assuming something makes it bind when in proper position.   Since it is not in my hometown of Atlanta, GA, and owned by a relative, I am not going to attempt to make a repair.

However I wonder if anyone can make a guess from the pictures the name of the maker and perhaps the age?  The only words inscribed that I see are French and Hands on the back.  I did not remove it from the case so identification may be a problem.

 

In any event appreciate any comment.

 

Thx.

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This is a small Silver French Timepiece I expect the duration to be 8 days. It has a platform escapement. The dial has roman numerals and the hands are in the style called spade.  The marks are a bit strange to me the lion represents Birmingham but I do not know the others it is possible the marks mean it's imported, if you or someone who knows more about hallmarks could unlock  those it will give the exact date of the case. These small clocks are normally from the late 1800's into the 1900's. 

As it only works on its side it makes me think the balance staff is causing problems such as it could be broken, chipped or a problem with a jewel or just lack of oil, I can only say this from what you say.  If I could see the movement I would be able to tell you more. In good condition these clocks can sell from around £800 upwards so look after it. I have just noticed a tiny chip in the dial just above 3 that might change the value a little. 

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1 hour ago, tyl said:

Found this.    Any idea of value - working and not working?

Thanks to AndyGSi for identifying James William Benson; excellent.  Now wondering about what year???  Possibly 1909.

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Look above, 1863

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Sorry the 1863 is based on a Birmingham Hallmark so first thought was London 1889.

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Then realised shield shape for 1909.

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Looking at other info I would have expected pre 1892 / 1897 (depending where you look) when it became JWB Ltd.

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To add, Os are one of the worst date letters ever to work with.

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@oldhippy Does 1909 fit with the movement?

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On 12/14/2024 at 7:31 PM, tyl said:

Going with 1909.  Ideas about market value - working and not working?  Dare I take it apart and look for problem?  Not sure I am comfortable with that since I have no ownership.

 

 

 

Thx.

If you have no ownership and arent comfortable working on clocks then I would leave it alone if I were you.

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If you haven't any experience with clocks do not take this one apart. You need experience not only in clock movement but also platform escapements. This is to valuable to play around with. You should start with a simple time piece or a 30 alarm clock such as this sort of thing. 

 

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