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Hello everyone.  Glad to have found you all.  Just trying to get by in my little hobby.  Found this lovely solid gold cased uno in beautiful condition.  I think sometimes uno described them as super flat watches.  Lovely little movement sadly no stem or original crown.  Just looking it over carefully I can find no movement ref or numbernear the balance. It's not going but I thought I'd order a replacement stem and crown for it.  The balance is free and it winds fine but I'm getting no power through the train to keep it going.  

Can anyone first help me identify the manual movement and where I might find these parts. 

Thanks so much.  I feel it would be a start in the right direction.  Much appreciated.  I reckon the watch is 1960s.  There is a date letter with the gold hallmarks which can be found on the inside of the caseback.  This is a one piece case.  You need to remove the movement to view it and there is no quick way to remove the caseback. 

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3 hours ago, Apollo55 said:

Hello everyone.  Glad to have found you all.  Just trying to get by in my little hobby.  Found this lovely solid gold cased uno in beautiful condition.  I think sometimes uno described them as super flat watches.  Lovely little movement sadly no stem or original crown.  Just looking it over carefully I can find no movement ref or numbernear the balance. It's not going but I thought I'd order a replacement stem and crown for it.  The balance is free and it winds fine but I'm getting no power through the train to keep it going.  

Can anyone first help me identify the manual movement and where I might find these parts. 

Thanks so much.  I feel it would be a start in the right direction.  Much appreciated.  I reckon the watch is 1960s.  There is a date letter with the gold hallmarks which can be found on the inside of the caseback.  This is a one piece case.  You need to remove the movement to view it and there is no quick way to remove the caseback. 

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Where abouts have you looked for the brand and calibre?  Something this young will almost certainly be marked up. Quite often any of the Ebauches SA brands will be marked up just under the balance. Often under the dial there is a maker's mark. Try these first before we start looking at the keyless works for the identity.

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a number of things we need to know to help you identify the watch. It would be helpful to have the size this is measured on the dial side of the movement not the dial itself. then I'm attaching a PDF for you can convert your favorite measurement into ligne which is how we identify watch sizes.

3 hours ago, Apollo55 said:

Just looking it over carefully I can find no movement ref or numbernear the balance.

 

25 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Often under the dial there is a maker's mark. Try these first before we start looking at the keyless works for the identity.

then if the number isn't under the balance as you observed the next place to look is as quoted above under the dial. Which will be helpful for variety of reasons you can then measure the movement and give us the size. Also there's a system of identifying movements from the keyless component so if you get us a really good picture of the backside of the watch we may below find the movement. Or you may just be lucky and the movement at that a vacation will be under their where it often is on some watches.

 

3 hours ago, Apollo55 said:

no stem

from the picture it looks like a little bit of the stem is sticking out? This is good because if we cannot identify the movement we can measure the dimensions on the stem and find something probably equivalent.

Ligne millimeter inch diameter watch size chart.pdf

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Thank you both so much.  Honestly I had a good look around the balance prior, nothing, nada.  Even at very high magnification.  I didn't know it might be possible to find this info on the dial side, learned something new there.  I will carefully remove hands and update with another photo hopefully with movement ref.  Yes there is a bit of the stem which I will try to remove carefully without pinging across the room into the carpet LOL.   

Honestly to date I've only googled uno 17 jewel movement and looked at images, sometimes I've found a match this way.  I also checked this site before posting for info on UNO watches.  I did absorb that UNO did use FHF (Fabrique d'Horologerie de Fontainemelon) movements but I can't say if this was all they used or during this watch era.  There was a website I came across which had pictures of various FHF movements, I just couldn't see the exact design but did see one or two which were fairly similar.

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8 hours ago, JohnR725 said:

a number of things we need to know to help you identify the watch. It would be helpful to have the size this is measured on the dial side of the movement not the dial itself. then I'm attaching a PDF for you can convert your favorite measurement into ligne which is how we identify watch sizes.

 

then if the number isn't under the balance as you observed the next place to look is as quoted above under the dial. Which will be helpful for variety of reasons you can then measure the movement and give us the size. Also there's a system of identifying movements from the keyless component so if you get us a really good picture of the backside of the watch we may below find the movement. Or you may just be lucky and the movement at that a vacation will be under their where it often is on some watches.

 

from the picture it looks like a little bit of the stem is sticking out? This is good because if we cannot identify the movement we can measure the dimensions on the stem and find something probably equivalent.

Ligne millimeter inch diameter watch size chart.pdf 662.49 kB · 1 download

Thanks John for the watch size chart.

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4 hours ago, Apollo55 said:

Thank you both so much.  Honestly I had a good look around the balance prior, nothing, nada.  Even at very high magnification.  I didn't know it might be possible to find this info on the dial side, learned something new there.  I will carefully remove hands and update with another photo hopefully with movement ref.  Yes there is a bit of the stem which I will try to remove carefully without pinging across the room into the carpet LOL.   

Honestly to date I've only googled uno 17 jewel movement and looked at images, sometimes I've found a match this way.  I also checked this site before posting for info on UNO watches.  I did absorb that UNO did use FHF (Fabrique d'Horologerie de Fontainemelon) movements but I can't say if this was all they used or during this watch era.  There was a website I came across which had pictures of various FHF movements, I just couldn't see the exact design but did see one or two which were fairly similar.

If the important bits of the stem are there and in good order they can be measured and matched against a list. This will give us a few examples of what the caliber might be, although it will need to be accurately measured 

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44 minutes ago, canthus said:

Peseux Cal-330 movement

looks like the right movement minor like the escape wheel is slightly different but that kind of thing is actually quite common. I have a link below that lists all the variations.  then of course from the dial side that would be a 100% variation.

https://ranfft.org/caliber/8867-Peseux-330

47 minutes ago, canthus said:

love my UNO, nice and slim and elegant.

minor eyesight problem on my part I think? The movement picture doesn't appear to have a crown but it looks like in the next picture there is one?

 

 

 

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we unfortunately still do not have a picture from the original person who started the question but we will assume that all of our assumptions are correct and legality picture of the dial side. Then because we know the model number and were going backwards. In other words you can go in either direction if you have a diameter size and a picture the setting parts like up above we can look up the fingerprint system or you can go because we of numbers and go the other direction just to verify

so here's a page from the bestfit book and noticed that the 330 base caliber is 320 and if you look at some of the other in the 300s they all kind of interchange in fact they all have the same parts

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so you'll notice in the above example it mentions illustration page 142. then even though I'm looking at a PDF if you have the physical book it's nice because all the parts are exactly sized the size of whatever you're looking for as opposed to we look at the pictures so some of the pictures may look similar but they should be an exact match to the one that I circled. It also see the importance of why I asked for the size because without a size reference you have to go through a heck of a lot of pictures attempting to find your setting components it's a lot easier if you have a reference size

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Hi guys sorry been a bit worried about taking the dial off, I hate these tiny little fly away subsecond hands.  My levers just can't get under them.  I honestly loosened the dial screws off the movement until completely free went around the movement with a toothpick until completely free and hey presto sub second hand landed in front of me on my desk.  Anyways the things we do!!! 

 

I've added some pics of my movement, it's a Fef 290.  I've ordered a new stem because firstly I've never fitted a stem extender and secondly because I don't think there is any threads left or should I say not enough to do it justice. 

OK now tried to the small part of stem out and it is not having it.  The screw to remove I forget the name is tiny and with my smallest screwdriver it just ain't loosening.  I've tried a good amount obviously not going brutal on it but I can't seem to get the screw to loosen anticlockwise so I can get the stem out.  Weirdly the movement kicked into life for a longer period than I have seen before.  I know this won't have hacking but was a bit odd and now since not repeated.  The balance is free and level.  I have given it some power but and blown with some air but usually few seconds at most.  Anyways just thought I would update you all.  I've got a new stem coming for the fef290.  Just glad the dial side had the movement details, still find it weird it wasn't on the movement side.  Thanks for any tips and tricks.  I did try to use some isopropyl on the annoying screw and tried again, nada.  I might need a better screwdriver I just don't want to do too much and screw the threads which I have done before.  Yes I admit.  I think there is some reason other why it is being stubborn.  Here's some pics so far. 

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Would also like to add is the fef 290 any good.  This is a solid gold uno I'm working on.  I'm working on two weirdly at the minute, the other a gorgeous longines.  Both having stem issues ie broken or none and no crowns.  Both small movements but look extremely well made well made.  I've found with these there are no caseback so the movements have to be removed via the front which I've find a little challenging to split the case being ever so gently not to go to quick to cause dial damage with my tools.  Slowly slowly and crack them open.  Started them both with a scalpel, then worked up to caseback lever.  They both have tiny little recesses at 9 o'clock.  Silly really. 

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5 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

I'm a bit confused, if both watch cases are monocoque, then the stems must be split. 

Front loader but still has access from the back to remove the stem.

1 hour ago, Apollo55 said:

Cheers andy yup tried in both.  Weirdly not having it.  Tried pressing it down but no movement up or down or nothing I can feel.  

Try removing the rest of the keyless and see then.

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OK quick update managed to get screw loosened.  Think just muck and my dodgy tiny screwdriver which needed reshape.  Bloody movement was really difficult to handle without touching the balance or flattening the tiny sub second pivot.  Got new stem resized and fitted dial, hands etc.  Movement works.   Here's a couple of pics. 

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It's been a challenge.  Well for me anyways.  The keyless works and stem desperately needed oiling which was presumably why the original stem snapped in the first place.  Think the crown fits well just need to threadlock it but honestly this can only be done outside of the case because the movement will not fit in the case with one. 

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