Favorite jeweling set, what are the parts?

[tcolgate]

I impulse bought a fairly complete looking Favorite jeweling tool, without really knowing what on earth I am doing. I know there's a set of collets and reamers that seems to be one of the big advantages of these, and have also read that they use 4mm anvils/pushers, that should be compatible with horia pushers (is that right?). I've read on here somewhere that the two "spade" shaped tools are for deburring edges.

What is the odd table thing with the "claws" underneath and what looks like a thumb screw on the top?

Anyone know what the things in the bag might be? (I don't have the set in hand yet). How about the big white plastic thing?

I've read that Favorite did a staking set for their jeweling tool, so am thinking of keeping an eye out for that.

Any information at all would be welcome.

[nickelsilver]

The things in the bag are countersinks, for cutting radiused sinks in holes. Looks like you have a couple of 8mm collets there next to it too. The table with clamps is a little faceplate, you would center a part in it with a point in the spindle, then clamp it in place to work on it.

 

The collet that's in the spindle should be a 2.2mm; they used this odd diameter for the reamers for some reason. These are great tools, nicer than Seitz, and only equalled by Chatons SA (their later sets were amazing).

[Neverenoughwatches]

57 minutes ago, tcolgate said:

I impulse bought a fairly complete looking Favorite jeweling tool, without really knowing what on earth I am doing. I know there's a set of collets and reamers that seems to be one of the big advantages of these, and have also read that they use 4mm anvils/pushers, that should be compatible with horia pushers (is that right?). I've read on here somewhere that the two "spade" shaped tools are for deburring edges.

What is the odd table thing with the "claws" underneath and what looks like a thumb screw on the top?

Anyone know what the things in the bag might be? (I don't have the set in hand yet). How about the big white plastic thing?

I've read that Favorite did a staking set for their jeweling tool, so am thinking of keeping an eye out for that.

Any information at all would be welcome.

Looks like a fairly complete set you have there.

I have an older seitz tool that looks like this.... heavy cast but has 3mm anvils 

I was also watching this, a reasonable price you paid for a complete set, you did ok.

[tcolgate]

45 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Looks like a fairly complete set you have there.

I have an older seitz tool that looks like this.... heavy cast but has 3mm anvils 

I was also watching this, a reasonable price you paid for a complete set, you did ok.

Cheers, going by the images, the anvils,pushers and reamers all look like they are in good condition. This is my first jeweling tool, I really probably should have gone for a cheap chinese horia knock off to play with, but this wasn't getting much interest, so I stuck the one bid on at my upper end and thought I'd just leave it at that and see if I got it.

I actually have more immediate use for a staking set, but that can wait a month or two. It has made me think of just taking it slow on ebay instead of rushing to AliX for everything.

Hopefully it is in as good condition as the pics suggest.

[tcolgate]

53 minutes ago, nickelsilver said:

The table with clamps is a little faceplate, you would center a part in it with a point in the spindle, then clamp it in place to work on it.

Any clue what the big white plastic looking part is?
Also, I can't quite tell from the image, but do you suppose that pusher in the very top right would be for balance staffs/pivots? It looks tiny and hollow tipped.

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 hour ago, tcolgate said:

Cheers, going by the images, the anvils,pushers and reamers all look like they are in good condition. This is my first jeweling tool, I really probably should have gone for a cheap chinese horia knock off to play with, but this wasn't getting much interest, so I stuck the one bid on at my upper end and thought I'd just leave it at that and see if I got it.

I actually have more immediate use for a staking set, but that can wait a month or two. It has made me think of just taking it slow on ebay instead of rushing to AliX for everything.

Hopefully it is in as good condition as the pics suggest.

I actually have 4 jewelling sets and an extra tool making 5 in total and i still want yours , i don't have a Favourite . Been searching for a complete Chatons SA for well over a year since Nicklesilver recommended one

[tcolgate]

Looks like someone on ebay has the staking set for this press too (another image includes the spindle), I guess I'm probably better off getting a dedicated tool. Tempting though (looks like some of them are looking a bit rough).

[tcolgate]

Yeah, so I put in an offer, got that for £125, which atleast seems fair (and having one tool to cover both things will work nicely for me, less stuff hanging around on shelves for the other half to frown at!)

[Neverenoughwatches]

2 hours ago, tcolgate said:

Yeah, so I put in an offer, got that for £125, which atleast seems fair (and having one tool to cover both things will work nicely for me, less stuff hanging around on shelves for the other half to frown at!)

Sorry to inform you but I'm pretty sure this staking set youve just bought cant be used with your jewelling tool. 2 completely different tools. Your jewel press has no staking anvil. I would think quickly about cancelling your second purchase unless someone knows differently. There are staking/ jewelling combos , i have one but its nothing like what you have with your press.

Edited October 10 by Neverenoughwatches

[tcolgate]

37 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Sorry to inform you but I'm pretty sure this staking set youve just bought cant be used with your jewelling tool. 2 completely different tools. Your jewel press has no staking anvil. I would think quickly about cancelling your second purchase unless someone knows differently. There are staking/ jewelling combos , i have one but its nothing like what you have with your press.

It has a set of stumps at the back of that box that I'd assumed suffice as the anvils. There's a spindle that seems to hold the stakes. I've seen that spindle and stakes listed elsewhere as a staking set for the favorite jeweling tool, so assumed this was that. It atleast comes with a second press. 

[tomh207]

I think that what is being said is that the combination sets are rather rare. What is said in any online sales listing is really irrelevant, most of what I have seen have very little relevance to the true nature of the tool when it comes to staking sets/jewelling sets/lathes. Be very careful and aware of that, I am sure many of us have been bitten by this to one degree or another.

 

Tom

[tcolgate]

15 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

I think that what is being said is that the combination sets are rather rare. What is said in any online sales listing is really irrelevant, most of what I have seen have very little relevance to the true nature of the tool when it comes to staking sets/jewelling sets/lathes. Be very careful and aware of that, I am sure many of us have been bitten by this to one degree or another.

 

Tom

I appreciate that many thing get miss represented on auction sites (jeweling tool often get listed as staking sets), but Favorite did make a staking set for the jeweling press. Here's a tool site showing a pristine example of the larger of the two sets that were available.

https://pennyfarthingtools.co.uk/favorite-staking-set-for-jewelling-tool/2020/09/17/

I've also seen a full set from Favorite elsewhere that had all of these in one neat box with the jeweling set included.

There's a solid 90% chance I've messed up, but I'm not going purely on ebay descriptions.

[mbwatch]

That little spindle tool in your second photo looks to be the tool used to grab punches out of the box. They are surprisingly difficult to grasp with fingers because they are so small, smooth, and close together, so you poke that tool like a sleeve over your selected punch and pull it up.

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 hour ago, tcolgate said:

It has a set of stumps at the back of that box that I'd assumed suffice as the anvils. There's a spindle that seems to hold the stakes. I've seen that spindle and stakes listed elsewhere as a staking set for the favorite jeweling tool, so assumed this was that. It atleast comes with a second press 

What does the description say, i honestly think the guy might be lifting your leg. Let me dig out mine and show you.

1 hour ago, tcolgate said:

I appreciate that many thing get miss represented on auction sites (jeweling tool often get listed as staking sets), but Favorite did make a staking set for the jeweling press. Here's a tool site showing a pristine example of the larger of the two sets that were available.

https://pennyfarthingtools.co.uk/favorite-staking-set-for-jewelling-tool/2020/09/17/

I've also seen a full set from Favorite elsewhere that had all of these in one neat box with the jeweling set included.

There's a solid 90% chance I've messed up, but I'm not going purely on ebay descriptions.

Yes the staking set may be for a combo tool but the frame with it is wrong,  this is mine and it has a spindle that takes the stakes. Ask about the spindle .

Ask the seller to show you the sprindle in the frame and a stake in the receiving spindle, then theres the difference of the rotating anvil with reduced holes for replacing staffs.

19 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

What does the description say, i honestly think the guy might be lifting your leg. Let me dig out mine and show you.

Yes the staking set may be for a combo tool but the frame with it is wrong,  this is mine and it has a spindle that takes the stakes. Ask about the spindle .

Ask the seller to show you the sprindle in the frame and a stake in the receiving spindle, then theres the difference of the rotating anvil with reduced holes for replacing staffs.

The main thing you need here would be the spindle, its the end that you need to see. The sellers looks a bit like this which i use for holding drills. You might be ok, but just be sure whats you have coming.

[tcolgate]

10 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

What does the description say, i honestly think the guy might be lifting your leg. Let me dig out mine and show you.

I've got 4 weeks to return it, should arrive in the next few days. In one shot of the frame there appears to be a stake mounted. It might be that the spindle is mounted in the frame (pictured in the Pennyfathing link, which does say its for the "jeweling" tool explicitly, and they seem to know their stuff), or it might be that the spindle is total nonsense and is just the picker thing pictured, wobbling around in there.

  I should have both in hand in the next couple of days.

[Neverenoughwatches]

42 minutes ago, tcolgate said:

I've got 4 weeks to return it, should arrive in the next few days. In one shot of the frame there appears to be a stake mounted. It might be that the spindle is mounted in the frame (pictured in the Pennyfathing link, which does say its for the "jeweling" tool explicitly, and they seem to know their stuff), or it might be that the spindle is total nonsense and is just the picker thing pictured, wobbling around in there.

  I should have both in hand in the next couple of days.

I looked at the suggested grabber tool, if its a staking punch sleeve , i dont understand what the slits up the side are for ??.  The set does look compatible with the frame although quite different from a traditional staking tool. A few of us are quite curious about it, i expect the pros would have a better idea about it. @nickelsilver would know for sure.

[nickelsilver]

The punch grabbers are slit so that they have a light friction to grasp the punch, but not enough that you need pliers to pull it off.

[Neverenoughwatches]

17 minutes ago, nickelsilver said:

The punch grabbers are slit so that they have a light friction to grasp the punch, but not enough that you need pliers to pull it off.

I dont think the part in question is a grabber, just wanted to draw you in to the conversation for your opinion....if the ops purchased punches can bd used in this jewelling tool and if the tool at the front of the photo is the conversion sleeve to use them in the frame. Thoughts appreciated Nicklesilver 

[tcolgate]

2 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

I dont think the part in question is a grabber, just wanted to draw you in to the conversation for your opinion....if the ops purchased punches can bd used in this jewelling tool and if the tool at the front of the photo is the conversion sleeve to use them in the frame. Thoughts appreciated Nicklesilver 

The tool pictured separate at the front of the frame in the images I posted earlier is almost certainly the punch grabber thing, that makes some sense. But in the picture showing the whole tool there is a punch loaded in there, it must be being held by something right? If you look at the top of the mcrometer there's something above the top of it, and it's not the regular dome, and probably not that grabber thing. So my hope is that it is the spindle pictured in the image from Pennyfarthing of the claimed ""staking set for jeweling tool" (I'll put that in below). The thing I orderd does have the genuine looking Favorite logo on the box, as does the image from the Pennyfarthing one (boxes look very similar, though slightly different layout, and their set has a few more anvils, the stakes look quite similar), 
 

[Neverenoughwatches]

4 minutes ago, tcolgate said:

The tool pictured separate at the front of the frame in the images I posted earlier is almost certainly the punch grabber thing, that makes some sense. But in the picture showing the whole tool there is a punch loaded in there, it must be being held by something right? If you look at the top of the mcrometer there's something above the top of it, and it's not the regular dome, and probably not that grabber thing. So my hope is that it is the spindle pictured in the image from Pennyfarthing of the claimed ""staking set for jeweling tool" (I'll put that in below). The thing I orderd does have the genuine looking Favorite logo on the box, as does the image from the Pennyfarthing one (boxes look very similar, though slightly different layout, and their set has a few more anvils, the stakes look quite similar), 
 

Seems a fair bet , you'll know soon enough and if you have 4 week to return it, if its all good then i think you have done ok with the two tools. You then just need to parcel them up and send them to me

[tcolgate]

The "staking set" arrived first (because Evri are certified garbage)...

The box need a bit of work, and there's definitely a bit of tarnish, and a few bits of rust here and there, but mostly it looks OK.

There are 3 holes for stumps with nothing in, and 4 of the stump are not like the others, but there's a decent selection of hole sizes I think.

Good range of stakes, at some point I'll post and ask what some of them are used for.

The sleeve was pretty well stuck into the frame, but with a bit of encouragement it came free. I think it was mostly just stuck in there with old grease rather than corrosion (though there's a fair bit of rust on the micrometer).

The alignment of the stumps and everthing seems good, no noticable slop, but there no means of adjusting excentricity , so not ideal vs a real staking set I guess, but it may be good enough (and the face plate with the jeweling tool maybe gives me options there? Will have to wait and see.

A bunch of the stakes are shorter (this seems to be by design, the bottom of the box is stepped so that they all rest at the same height), but they seem like they've be tricky to use as they are below them level of the top of the sleeve when you put them in. Maybe you just put another stake over the top (seems odd).

Any tips on cleaning these up?

 

here's one of the pointy stakes lined up with the stump with the largest of the holes

Seems worth keeping, what do you think? The jeweling tool should arrive soon I hope.

Edited October 14 by tcolgate

[tcolgate]

The selection of stakes is a bit random. There are a bunch that appear to be from a different brand (MRS?), that accounts for some of the size difference. Two are definitely broken. 3 appear to be improvised (one of which I suspect has been used as an "extension" to knock the shorter stakes. Most seem to be 4.68 mm. 

There are:
- a tonne flat hollow ones
- a few less domed hollow (but I think the full complement from the original set)
- 2 concave hollow ones. 
- a good selection of domed and flat non-hollow
- a few weird ones (some with a sort of cut out, maybe to go around something? some with a flat end with a dimple, some that taper then straighten out, one flat hollow one with a slot cut  out an inch or so along from the point.

...and the jeweling tool arrived! Actually looks to be in much better condition than the original photos suggested (atleast the paint finish on the frame is really good!). The kit seems to be complete witht he exception of one pusher (in the top right), and the 3 jaw face place that these larger sets seemed to come with (that wasn't int he original photo anyway. All the reamers are there, and seem sharp. I've no idea what the larger threaded collets are supposed to be used with. The sleeve from the staking set fits (bit snug, but I think that is because it needs a clean)

[tcolgate]

I spent some time today cleaning up the staking set (the jeweling set is in a great condition already, have  used it for setting some hands).

I gave everything a soak in wd40, then a rub down with some fine scotchbrite. Gave a few bits some 1000-2000 grit wet and dry, and did the stump mounted in a rotary tool.

 Finally ran everything through an ultrasonic clean/since/IPA, and a final coat of silicone oil.

  There's still some staining on a few of the punches, but it's all looking much better.

[Neverenoughwatches]

On 10/14/2024 at 11:49 AM, tcolgate said:

The "staking set" arrived first (because Evri are certified garbage)...

Oh no they are worse, much much much worse, dont get me started on Evri, ill be at it all night. Thd CEO Martjin De-Lange is a complete **BLEEP**-r.