Diy rotary cleaning machine

[swiss2k]

3 hours ago, rjenkinsgb said:

It's a work in progress, I need to finish off the servo control stuff.

It uses mostly off-the-shelf aluminium extrusions & common parts for 3D printers, plus some 3D printed items. Functionally, it's the same concept a rotary automatic, except the four in a row linear system is easier to get parts for than a turntable system. It's sized to fit 1L Kilner jars, as a standardised container.

The same control system could equally work a rotary turntable. 

It will be published as an open source design when completed.

I have the X motor off it at the moment, to use for testing the servo software.

These are the overall frame & control box:

 

 

The X & Z axis motor drivers are the two small plug-in modules at the right, the one in the middle is an STM32 MCU and the two big lumps at the left are the spindle motor and heater power drivers.

[This is all baby size hobby stuff - I program and repair industrial machine tool & control electronics, from CNC mills & borers, to literal car crushers].

 

Yep, a bit off topic, but video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4WZs5tK0U

 

 

 

Looks very nice (one would need a bit of space to keep that). What drivers are you using btw?

[rjenkinsgb]

The stepper driver modules are TMC2209 based, the spindle & heater ones are BTS7960 modules. The heater only needs a switch, but I have these modules and they are convenient, with good current ratings and low losses.

 

[xyzzy]

Question for those that have built ones of these machines.  How much torque does it take to turn the basket in the fluid at typical 200-300 rpm cleaning speed?

[Neverenoughwatches]

This is how us Joiners roll ... the ultimate 20 quid rotary washer.....variable speed, forward and reverse power supply and motor . 

[iwan]

Pada 28/1/2024 pukul 16.50, swiss2k berkata:

 

 

 

Butuh saran. Seperti yang disebutkan dalam video (maafkan bahasa Inggris saya yang kurang bagus) ada 3 siklus/program. Sekarang yang jadi masalah bagi saya adalah berapa lama waktu yang dibutuhkan untuk menjalankan setiap program. Berapa lama program pencucian dan pembilasan harus berlangsung? 
 

PS: Bagi siapa saja yang tertarik.
 Siklus "Cuci" berjalan 200rpm maju dan mundur, kemudian kecepatannya naik hingga 500prm untuk waktu yang singkat, alias tingkat pengadukan yang berbeda. 
 "Bilas" adalah 800prm, sesuai petunjuk, tanpa tingkat pengadukan apa pun (dapat dikonfigurasi).

Akan lebih baik jika menambahkan siklus "Putar" di akhir setiap program, untuk membuang cairan dalam keranjang. Namun, ini mungkin untuk saat-saat ketika motor dapat diangkat dari udara.

Pengeringan masih dalam tahap pengerjaan. Saya kira, jumlah atau putaran tidak terlalu penting? Mungkinkah dibiarkan rendah dan cukup udara hangat untuk mengeringkannya?

 

Beri tahu saya apa pendapat Anda. Terima kasih.

 

 

wow, ini terlihat bagus. desain sederhana dipadukan dengan layar sentuh. kerja bagus kawan. Apakah Anda berencana untuk membagikan kodenya?

[tomh207]

3 hours ago, iwan said:

wow, ini terlihat bagus. desain sederhana dipadukan dengan layar sentuh. kerja bagus kawan. Apakah Anda berencana untuk membagikan kodenya?

Iwan, we ask our members to use English to write in. Can you please do so, there are many translation applications that are very good.

 

Tom

[LittleWatchShop]

8 hours ago, iwan said:

wow, ini terlihat bagus. desain sederhana dipadukan dengan layar sentuh. kerja bagus kawan. Apakah Anda berencana untuk membagikan kodenya?

wow, this looks good. simple design combined with a touch screen. good job guys. Do you plan to share the code?

[HectorLooi]

I'm sure some of you guys have seen this on Alex's channel.

It's available on eBay in case anyone is interested. But if you want to build it yourself, it's a modified butter churn, available from AliExpress. 

Hand Crank Butter Churner Manual Butter Maker Cream Mixer Silicone Food Stirring Tool Mason Jar Kitchen Accessories 1L/1.5L
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrFTHaT

The cleaning basket is also available from AliExpress. 

Edited February 13 by HectorLooi
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[RickTock]

1 hour ago, HectorLooi said:

I'm sure some of you guys have seen this on Alex's channel.

It's available on eBay in case anyone is interested. But if you want to build it yourself, it's a modified butter churn, available from AliExpress. 

Hand Crank Butter Churner Manual Butter Maker Cream Mixer Silicone Food Stirring Tool Mason Jar Kitchen Accessories 1L/1.5L
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrFTHaT

The cleaning basket is also available from AliExpress. 

Thanks! The rotary parts cleaner is also available here: https://markingtime.com/chrono-clean

Also a YouTube vid:

https://youtu.be/uBl-3mlWuzc?si=9bS22q9FJQx63tnJ

Looks interesting!

[mbwatch]

I have seen that hand crank cleaner and my thought is: About once a week I make a cup of good coffee with a moka pot on the stove. I have a manual crank bur grinder for my beans, and must spend about 3 minutes cranking coffee beans; after about 90 seconds I am wishing I just had a motorized grinder but it still takes at least another 60s to finish grinding for 1 cup.

Multiply by 3 for a couple of rinse cycles, and add some spin-off cycles as well. I will keep saving for a motorized parts cleaner. If this one could be bought or built for $20, I would consider it. But its price is too high even by assembling from aliexpress parts, to offset its inconvenience.

[iwan]

9 hours ago, tomh207 said:

Iwan, we ask our members to use English to write in. Can you please do so, there are many translation applications that are very good.

 

Tom

Ok Tom Thanks for the suggestion

[Neverenoughwatches]

2 hours ago, HectorLooi said:

I'm sure some of you guys have seen this on Alex's channel.

It's available on eBay in case anyone is interested. But if you want to build it yourself, it's a modified butter churn, available from AliExpress. 

Hand Crank Butter Churner Manual Butter Maker Cream Mixer Silicone Food Stirring Tool Mason Jar Kitchen Accessories 1L/1.5L
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrFTHaT

The cleaning basket is also available from AliExpress. 

There's a young guy in America knocking these out for sale, AliExpress might be where he got the idea from. Here is his video.

https://youtu.be/uBl-3mlWuzc?si=gNcHOnVqgqepoZbi&sfnsn=scwspmo

 

[SwissSeiko]

Here's my DIY cleaner. Automated cleaning time, and spinoff. I will be adding a 3 axis to mount all the jars and dryer to, so it's 100% automatic. I run 1 wash, 3 rinses, and a drying cycle with a fan

[Neverenoughwatches]

26 minutes ago, mbwatch said:

If this one could be bought or built for $20, I would consider it. 

The one 9 posts back can be Michael,  it's rough but it works. My ability to tidy it up by making it look less like, a stick stuck in a square stick with a motor fastened to a stick, far outweighs my enthusiasm to do that

[RichardHarris123]

3 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

The one 9 posts back can be Michael,  it's rough but it works. My ability to tidy it up by making it look less like, a stick stuck in a square stick with a motor fastened to a stick, far outweighs my enthusiasm to do that

Haha.  Sometimes I go to extremes to make something look good, when it's not necessary.  Other times, f#£k it, it works. 

[mbwatch]

6 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

The one 9 posts back can be Michael,  it's rough but it works

Ok but how does the coffee taste?

[Neverenoughwatches]

13 minutes ago, mbwatch said:

Ok but how does the coffee taste?

A bit clinical with an air of " fill up station " about it I made loads of basket carriers from various plastic items a few years ago. I couldn't think of any everyday item made from steel that would work. Then one morning while making a good brew.......

26 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Haha.  Sometimes I go to extremes to make something look good, when it's not necessary.  Other times, f#£k it, it works. 

If it's for someone else then it has to work and look - the dog's bits - but if it's for me then practical comes before aesthetics and often the aesthetics don't come at all, not like they used to.

[SwissSeiko]

3 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Haha.  Sometimes I go to extremes to make something look good, when it's not necessary.  Other times, f#£k it, it works. 

2 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

If it's for someone else then it has to work and look - the dog's bits - but if it's for me then practical comes before aesthetics and often the aesthetics don't come at all, not like they used to.

 

It never hurts to hone your skill! I agree with you both, that if something is to be made for myself, then in my head, aesthetics don't matter. But continuing to improve on your abilities with your own projects, translates to skills that can be applied to projects for others. I like to test out new techniques and finishes on my own builds, particularly tools. I have a brass blueing tray that I added perlage to. I test electroplating finishes on my tools as well. Im working on adding anglage to a pair of tweezers im making. 

[tomh207]

12 minutes ago, SwissSeiko said:

 

It never hurts to hone your skill! I agree with you both, that if something is to be made for myself, then in my head, aesthetics don't matter. But continuing to improve on your abilities with your own projects, translates to skills that can be applied to projects for others. I like to test out new techniques and finishes on my own builds, particularly tools. I have a brass blueing tray that I added perlage to. I test electroplating finishes on my tools as well. Im working on adding anglage to a pair of tweezers im making. 

I suppose the really important bit is “if you are not willing to do the extra for yourself, how can you do it for someone else”. Kinda from my grandad, do it, do it right or don’t do it at all.

If we all just go “feck it this will do” then all goes to pot, oh, wait a minute just look at the world we are in.

 

 

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 hour ago, SwissSeiko said:

 

It never hurts to hone your skill! I agree with you both, that if something is to be made for myself, then in my head, aesthetics don't matter. But continuing to improve on your abilities with your own projects, translates to skills that can be applied to projects for others. I like to test out new techniques and finishes on my own builds, particularly tools. I have a brass blueing tray that I added perlage to. I test electroplating finishes on my tools as well. Im working on adding anglage to a pair of tweezers im making. 

Oh I definitely agree with you both, I very much liked work for myself to look it's best I always did, it showed my ability as a very competent tradesman, and hence my comment,( asthetics not important to me now ) not like they used to be.  Circumstances in my life changed that 5 or so years ago, something I dont fully want to share. At work I make things look nice to please people and get paid, I like them to smile about it, I feel I've achieved something and made someone happy. If it's for me I cant explain it, I guess I  just dont appreciate myself enough to do it right anymore, basically my work is lost on me. I might do one day, but yes you are both right .

[SwissSeiko]

3 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Oh I definitely agree with you both, I very much liked work for myself to look it's best I always did, it showed my ability as a very competent tradesman, and hence my comment,( asthetics not important to me now ) not like they used to be.  Circumstances in my life changed that 5 or so years ago, something I dont fully want to share. At work I make things look nice to please people and get paid, I like them to smile about it, I feel I've achieved something and made someone happy. If it's for me I cant explain it, I guess I  just dont appreciate myself enough to do it right anymore, basically my work is lost on me. I might do one day, but yes you are both right .

What works for you, is good enough for me. You and I have great interactions on here, and you've taught me some things! I guess I should approach things with the thought process that most of the users on here are probably doing this as a hobby. I find myself reading some posts and thinking, that's definitely not how I would do it. But I do this for a living, I have overhead costs, bills to pay, taxes, tooling costs ect., and to many on here, it's probably just fine to do it as is necessary to work. So I'm probably a little overzealous when it comes to finishing. You should know, we(for sure at least me) appreciate you. If someone chimes in on my posts, it's usually you, and you're a good chap!

[HectorLooi]

Yes @SwissSeiko, most of us here are just hobbyist and some horological products are simply too expensive.

For example, cleaning fluids. I think even you find L&R cleaning fluids expensive. But I haven't found anything that shines up parts like #111. So I just bite the bullet and fork up the $$$. Here in Singapore, a bottle of #111 is $180SGD. ($134USD) The Rinse #3 is the same price. Oils like 2ml of Moebius 9010 is around $45SGD. Imagine if you had to fill your car engine with 5 quarts of 9010!

I have been using odorless kerosene to preclean my parts before putting them into the #111. The kerosene does such a fantastic job that I may use that in place of the Rinse #3. But I can't do without the #111, but now its role is just a brightening agent. 

So my cleaning regimen will be kerosene, #111, kerosene and IPA. I see how that works out.

I might even re-distill my used IPA to save even more.

Edited February 14 by HectorLooi

[Neverenoughwatches]

4 hours ago, SwissSeiko said:

What works for you, is good enough for me. You and I have great interactions on here, and you've taught me some things! I guess I should approach things with the thought process that most of the users on here are probably doing this as a hobby. I find myself reading some posts and thinking, that's definitely not how I would do it. But I do this for a living, I have overhead costs, bills to pay, taxes, tooling costs ect., and to many on here, it's probably just fine to do it as is necessary to work. So I'm probably a little overzealous when it comes to finishing. You should know, we(for sure at least me) appreciate you. If someone chimes in on my posts, it's usually you, and you're a good chap!

Thanks I appreciate those comments ,very kind of you,the same goes for me, I admire your ability and passion for something you love doing, reminds me of myself years ago.

[Neverenoughwatches]

Who's going to conflab with me on the ideas of using a milk frother for cleaning watch parts ?    it's just a spinney thing, what I like about the design is that fluid and parts have seperate motions, unlike a one direction rotary machine.  Parts are stationary and fluid is in motion due to the tank spinning the fluid and not the parts basket, which is a bit like filling your ultrasonic tank with cleaner. Which cleaning solution to use is the main concern here, water based must be used so the machines gaskets are unaffected, and also there is no spin off. Might be worth a short dicussion to see it's a viable idea or a crazy notion.  Morning watch folk !