Masonic pocket watch

[Stuart2]

hi i have taken this movement out of a masonic pocket watch but i am struggling to identify it, it has a yoke and yoke spring combined. Thanks in advance

[Stuart2]

The movement is about 13''' the closest i have found is rego/lapanouse i am still looking and theres a pic of what is inside the case if anyone could shed any light on this movement that would be great.

[WatchMaker]

Not a whole lot to go on here. The movement certainly looks cheap-and-cheerful so I can see why you've gone down the route of the more budget brands you mention.

And 'Chwae Loeillet'? There was a Schwab-Loeillet company but can't find any 'Chwae' variant. And the style of the movement and noting there's a plastic movement holder doesn't make this very old by the looks of things. 

Are there any clues around the balance? Under the balance wheel? This area is typically where a manufacturer might put an identification of some sort.

And you haven't included a pic of the dial. Any clues to be gleaned from that like a brand name?

[Stuart2]

On 8/23/2022 at 5:41 PM, WatchMaker said:

Not a whole lot to go on here. The movement certainly looks cheap-and-cheerful so I can see why you've gone down the route of the more budget brands you mention.

And 'Chwae Loeillet'? There was a Schwab-Loeillet company but can't find any 'Chwae' variant. And the style of the movement and noting there's a plastic movement holder doesn't make this very old by the looks of things. 

Are there any clues around the balance? Under the balance wheel? This area is typically where a manufacturer might put an identification of some sort.

And you haven't included a pic of the dial. Any clues to be gleaned from that like a brand name?

thanks Watchmaker, there nothing under the balance, nothing under the dial and no name on the face, i'm pretty stumped, closest i have found but not exact is lapanouse in the best fit books.

[Neverenoughwatches]

9 minutes ago, Stuart2 said:

thanks Watchmaker, there nothing under the balance, nothing under the dial and no name on the face, i'm pretty stumped, closest i have found but not exact is lapanouse in the best fit books.

Thats a coincidence I've just been reading about Lapanouse. A little Cimier came through the post today.  Another brand name used by lapanouse. 

[WatchMaker]

Hi again @Stuart2

A good hint there from @Neverenoughwatchesas Lapanouse/Rego/Cimier are all linked. If you think it's a Lapanouse then you're probably on the right track.

The only other breadcrumb I can offer is this: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1150979085/fine-solid-continental-800-silver 

Look familiar?! 

Note this does have a brand on the dial of 'Cervine'. A look on Mikrolisk.de shows this name is also linked to manufacturer/brand names of Achille Hirsch, Invar, Climax Watch, Vigilant Watch and Century Watch. Could be worth a quick google images around these various names to see if you can spot your movement as likely they would have tried to use common movements for economies of scale.

[Stuart2]

1 hour ago, WatchMaker said:

Hi again @Stuart2

A good hint there from @Neverenoughwatchesas Lapanouse/Rego/Cimier are all linked. If you think it's a Lapanouse then you're probably on the right track.

The only other breadcrumb I can offer is this: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1150979085/fine-solid-continental-800-silver 

Look familiar?! 

Note this does have a brand on the dial of 'Cervine'. A look on Mikrolisk.de shows this name is also linked to manufacturer/brand names of Achille Hirsch, Invar, Climax Watch, Vigilant Watch and Century Watch. Could be worth a quick google images around these various names to see if you can spot your movement as likely they would have tried to use common movements for economies of scale.

The dial is identical so i will have a look thanks so much for your help i really appreciate it.

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 hour ago, WatchMaker said:

Hi again @Stuart2

A good hint there from @Neverenoughwatchesas Lapanouse/Rego/Cimier are all linked. If you think it's a Lapanouse then you're probably on the right track.

The only other breadcrumb I can offer is this: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1150979085/fine-solid-continental-800-silver 

Look familiar?! 

Note this does have a brand on the dial of 'Cervine'. A look on Mikrolisk.de shows this name is also linked to manufacturer/brand names of Achille Hirsch, Invar, Climax Watch, Vigilant Watch and Century Watch. Could be worth a quick google images around these various names to see if you can spot your movement as likely they would have tried to use common movements for economies of scale.

It looks very familiar. is there some lettering on the main plate at 9 oclock just under the train bridge on watchmakers example, also the same on yours stuart. Might be something might be nothing .

[Stuart2]

1 hour ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

It looks very familiar. is there some lettering on the main plate at 9 oclock just under the train bridge on watchmakers example, also the same on yours stuart. Might be something might be nothing .

Sorry nothing that i can see, i will agree that it does look familiar but my brain just won't kick in.

[Neverenoughwatches]

9 minutes ago, Stuart2 said:

Sorry nothing that i can see, i will agree that it does look familiar but my brain just won't kick in.

Haha down yourself a nice strong filtered coffee matey, your concentration will soon pick itself up lol. The movement is very similar stuart if not the same. I thought i spotted some identification under the train bridge. Just out of curiosity for myself can you post a photo with the brige removed. You know when something is bugging you

Edited August 25, 2022 by Neverenoughwatches

[Shane]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:16 AM, Stuart2 said:

hi i have taken this movement out of a masonic pocket watch but i am struggling to identify it, it has a yoke and yoke spring combined. Thanks in advance

Still not sure what it is but if it means something to you, it looks as if the eBay link below has one of them for sale in this lot.  A bit pricey if you only wanted the one movement.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144567294554?hash=item21a8e1da5a:g:lBMAAOSwz0pii3L1&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4I2nNW3p4lVSn7mA7YQLmdfzzRT1Huq%2BqOiibNM6hNua073a6LqRe32NAv5z7eoEoUoJIE%2B9DHP98iEzXAeTwxpAckhPxI6Fl0tFyJ5Ncx6j%2FzHl1V79u3lmclztAtEa%2FZI26Vw6CiaCTRMDRz7Kc5bFD4z3TQzjjgcFryVB0Fi2HBOYYEkG%2BuypJ21VdW0wRtyF3jtR2rmD9VaRbgd7zO3ue4igY9iaDKYn6jsQ5pnrZ5%2B2zENYHd%2Fo1c%2FgCW%2BPLxlecYsraUu%2FR%2FEh3LBLKdyXNeCkavZPzD9fFdpR8jh7|tkp%3ABk9SR6qh5qHbYA

[Stuart2]

8 hours ago, Shane said:

Still not sure what it is but if it means something to you, it looks as if the eBay link below has one of them for sale in this lot.  A bit pricey if you only wanted the one movement.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144567294554?hash=item21a8e1da5a:g:lBMAAOSwz0pii3L1&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4I2nNW3p4lVSn7mA7YQLmdfzzRT1Huq%2BqOiibNM6hNua073a6LqRe32NAv5z7eoEoUoJIE%2B9DHP98iEzXAeTwxpAckhPxI6Fl0tFyJ5Ncx6j%2FzHl1V79u3lmclztAtEa%2FZI26Vw6CiaCTRMDRz7Kc5bFD4z3TQzjjgcFryVB0Fi2HBOYYEkG%2BuypJ21VdW0wRtyF3jtR2rmD9VaRbgd7zO3ue4igY9iaDKYn6jsQ5pnrZ5%2B2zENYHd%2Fo1c%2FgCW%2BPLxlecYsraUu%2FR%2FEh3LBLKdyXNeCkavZPzD9fFdpR8jh7|tkp%3ABk9SR6qh5qHbYA

 

8 hours ago, Shane said:

Still not sure what it is but if it means something to you, it looks as if the eBay link below has one of them for sale in this lot.  A bit pricey if you only wanted the one movement.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144567294554?hash=item21a8e1da5a:g:lBMAAOSwz0pii3L1&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4I2nNW3p4lVSn7mA7YQLmdfzzRT1Huq%2BqOiibNM6hNua073a6LqRe32NAv5z7eoEoUoJIE%2B9DHP98iEzXAeTwxpAckhPxI6Fl0tFyJ5Ncx6j%2FzHl1V79u3lmclztAtEa%2FZI26Vw6CiaCTRMDRz7Kc5bFD4z3TQzjjgcFryVB0Fi2HBOYYEkG%2BuypJ21VdW0wRtyF3jtR2rmD9VaRbgd7zO3ue4igY9iaDKYn6jsQ5pnrZ5%2B2zENYHd%2Fo1c%2FgCW%2BPLxlecYsraUu%2FR%2FEh3LBLKdyXNeCkavZPzD9fFdpR8jh7|tkp%3ABk9SR6qh5qHbYA

Thanks so much, i have just had a look and there doesn't seem to be a lot else in this joblot, they all seem well stripped and for that price i would be concerned that the piece that i wanted has also been stripped. But at least i know that there are other ones out there now. Really appreciate the time you took to see this and post a message to me.

[Stuart2]

On 8/25/2022 at 11:55 AM, Neverenoughwatches said:

Haha down yourself a nice strong filtered coffee matey, your concentration will soon pick itself up lol. The movement is very similar stuart if not the same. I thought i spotted some identification under the train bridge. Just out of curiosity for myself can you post a photo with the brige removed. You know when something is bugging you

Hi @Neverenoughwatchesi didn't start stripping the watch until i found the part that i needed, however by absolute miracle i found the exact same movement amongst my spares. Unfortunately i am still unable to identify the movement as the spare has no marking either. I have attached a pic with the train bridge removed as you requested i hope this helps. Also thanks to everyone who posted.