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Eight months ago when I began my watch repairing journey, a relative passed me this unusual gold-plated pendant watch to "have a go". They had worn it daily for decades, till it stopped working (and had long gone out of fashion), and put it in a drawer.  At the time I had no test equipment but it was running slow and didn't run for long either.

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Having opened the case to see what the movement was, I put in in a box of "future projects" as I wanted to continue practicing on junk movements.

Now I'm gaining confidence having serviced about forty movements and inexpensive watches, I thought it was time to repair it. This is what I saw on the time-grapher:

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The movement looked clean:

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Though the finish on the dial side is poor:

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During the strip down I noticed some unusual wear to the underside of the centre wheel

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I cleaned the movement and reassembled to try and see what was rubbing on the wheel. It was pretty obvious once I checked the play on the barrel:

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I asked the owner when it was last serviced. The answer was I don't know, maybe never. I know it was worn daily for twenty or thirty years and dates from the 70s or 80s. I'm amazed that the only sign of wear I found was the top barrel pivot hole. OK time to order parts. I ordered a fresh barrel arbor, barrel bridge, and mainspring. The barrel itself showed no signs of wear or cosmetic damage. I think only the very tip of the teeth were catching the second wheel. It's a shame that I couldn't find a barrel bridge with the same finish. I've not posted pictures of the disassembly as it's a totally straightforward movement.

I cleaned, reassembled, inspected and lubricated (941/9010/HP1300/MolyslipDX/8200) the movement. For cleaning I use naptha and pegwood on the pivot holes,  followed by a three stage cleaning in an ultrasonic bath. I epilame the inca jewels, pallets, and escapement wheel. I use a superfine oiler and check each pivot under my microscope for correct oil levels and cleanliness. On this occasion I ran the watch for a few minutes, then lubricated the tip of three escapement teeth. I'm experimenting with different methods as I also like to remove and oil the exit pallet. I can't find a difference in results with either technique when you get it right. I probably make more errors oiling the ascapement. 

Putting it on the timegrapher. 280, 300, 320, 340 degrees, SNOWSTORM!!! Sorry I didn't get a picture but I quickly removed the movement as I could hear it knocking, in order to release the main-spring. I checked the replacement spring and it's measurements were the same as the original however the curve was a little less pronounced. It looked fine, I'd simply replaced it as a matter of good practice. So I cleaned the original and put it in.

Now the timegrapher results show unexpectedly high amplitude, but it's not knocking.

Dial down

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Dial up was within a second and two degrees of dial down, and the other vertical positions were similar to the crown right.

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On reflection, this watch will spend almost all of it's life crown up, so I readjusted it optimised for that position accepting a greater error dial up and down. After a few hours of running-in the differential between the horizontal and vertical positions has reduced. The various vertical positions all perform similarly so I won't post them all. These are after an hour or so of running:

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So I learned a few things on this movement. Firstly I should have picked up on the play in the barrel as I disassembled the watch. Then I've have known as soon as I saw it the cause of the marks on the second wheel. Secondly, I learned that a new spring even of apparrently correct and identical specification may cause knocking. Finally, a lesson I learned early in this journey (taking care of the dial) remains visible on the face of the watch, where I marked it as I opened it all those months ago. You can only see it under a lupe, but it's there on the seconds dial between 15 and 20 seconds.

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