Waltham 8s

[Murks]

Hi everyone have got this waltham 8s 1873 I'm looking for the fourth wheel a looked on ofrei and daves it doesn't seem to have one does anyone know where else a could look?

[grsnovi]

In the USA, you could try:

https://www.jewelerssupplies.com/

or

http://www.julesborel.com/

Cousins in the UK might be a possibility (although Waltham is a US watch, I'm sure some of them made it across the pond).

https://www.cousinsuk.com/

Mark also has a list here:

https://www.watchfix.com/category/watch-parts-tools-suppliers/watch-parts-tools-suppliers-us/

[JohnR725]

9 hours ago, Murks said:

waltham 8s 1873 I'm looking for the fourth wheel

Finding a another movement broken off of eBay might be your best option. It be extremely unlikely to find anyone stocking the new component and then if they did which fourth Wheel did you need as there was more than one.

Each of the American watch companies all seem to have their own interesting takes on spare parts. Waltham like to have lots of variations. Although they do have exact part numbers for each of the parts but as you can see from the image which fourth wheel do you need? Or is in situ watches that had different plate styles that was also common

Then just in case you don't have the material catalogs that has your watch at its parts there is a link below or you can download it.

https://archive.org/details/catalogueofwalth00walt

 

 

[Murks]

I'm looking for the waltham size 8 model 1873 with 3-4 plate I know you said ebay the best option let me know if you know anyone.

[JohnR725]

3 hours ago, Murks said:

'm looking for the waltham size 8 model 1873 with 3-4 plate I know you said ebay the best option let me know if you know anyone.

It would've been helpful if you gave us a serial number. 

You didn't study the pictures did you? I don't think I was clear on explaining so I've snipped out the images separately and I will explain the problem because you still haven't told us which wheel you need?

One of the problems with watches not just American pocket watches depending upon how long they were made for there will be variations. Some components in the watch the variations may have separate part numbers other times they would use the exact same part number and you need a description on the part number this would typically be a balance staff. Then American pocket watch parts were made in batches which means there may be variations depending upon what it is you need.

At the time the catalog was printed and 1911 material houses would never stock all of these components. They would order from the factory unless it is for something extremely popular or was a popular component to break like balance staffs.

It does not look like the played style determines which fourth wheel you need as that's not used in the description.

You will see for this watch there were two separate wheels. Now this is the wheel with out pinion just the bare wheel you determine which one you have by the number of teeth.

Then there are three separate pinions but if you read the description they specifically go with specific wheels it's not like you've a mix-and-match option.

Then when their combined together it appears to be that the 70 teeth wheel did have two separate pinions and the 82 wheel only had one opinion. So basically there were only three separate fourth wheels for this watch. To get the correct one for your movement you will need to know the number of teeth and if it's the 70 version then you need to figure out which pinion you have.

Then here's a company that does have stockings of some vintage components and the second link he has movements including your movement. Usually if I need to get spare parts of this vintage I end up cannibalizing a movement as I don't actually know anybody who stocks hundred-year-old parts .

 https://www.daveswatchparts.com/index.html

https://www.daveswatchparts.com/WalthamMovements.html

[Murks]

Thank you sir I understand a bit I'm quit new to watch repair this is the serial number: 2125977 for the movement have already contact daves watch he told me that sold all he's 1873 waltham movements and parts to a customer.

[JohnR725]

The reason I wanted the serial number was for the website below.

The reason I wanted the serial number was for the website below. You can look up information about your watch. You can find out that yours was one of 100 in that batch which is a really small batch use of the batches are bigger. Then there's the total quantity of watches made and you can even find out by clicking the model number how many of that probably made etc.

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/waltham/2125977

Then it's not mentioned above but both Waltham and Elgin exported heck of a lot of watches out of the country. They had a sales agent in United Kingdom in several other locations. Which means you can look at eBay UK for your watch you'll just have to spend some time looking. That's a unfortunate problem of vintage finding parts can be a challenge in finding a month eBay can take some time. But at least there is eBay and the parts can be found or the movements can be found eventually.

Then if you really desperate there is another option. You should bill a find some way doing an equivalent service in United Kingdom there won't be a lot of people like this but they do exist that is somebody can replace the damaged component make a new one.

https://henningwatches.com/index-2.html

 

 

 

[Murks]

1 hour ago, JohnR725 said:

 

 

I want to say thank you very much mate you are brilliant that has helped a bit

 

 

One more question  sir what if the pocket watch is a UK got this movement called 77cornhill &230 regent St. London in walker serial number  is 20438 how do a find this on the database?