keyless works on 1904 Elgin Grade 211

[arron]

Good morning,

 

I've started a new project to fix the keyless works on this PW.  It's got me a bit perplexed.  In the resting mode (not pushing or pulling the crown) if you turn the crown the hands may at times move and at other times will not move.  if you push in and keep pressure on the crown and turn, it winds the watch--there is only slight give when you push and no significant clicking sound.  pulling on the crown doesn't seem to do anything.    has someone before me put the parts in wrong?  does anyone have a diagram of what the keyless works is supposed to look like.  or maybe there is a part missing.  btw, i did take out the crown stem and it seems like it's in functioning condition, albeit with a bit of corrosion.

 

 

Thanks and i hope you all had a nice weekend.  Arron.

[clockboy]

Looks OK see pic.

 

[arron]

Thanks for the photo.  i'm glad to see that i put it back together correctly.  Now, i wonder, why it's not working properly?

[arron]

I thought i'd share this for any others having a similar problem.  I didn't know but there is a metal sleeve inside the stem tube. That regulates the working of the stem as you pull it out to set the time or push it in to wind.  There is a five part series on YT that discusses the workings and fine tuning of this mechanism.  I've inserted just the first part of the series. There is a special tool (a sleeve removal tool) that is used to fine tune or remove the sleeve.  I do not know if adjusting or replacing the sleeve will resolve my issue as I am waiting for the tool which i purchased to arrive so I can take out and inspect the sleeve.

[PWFDmedic]

On 5/8/2021 at 9:16 PM, arron said:

I thought i'd share this for any others having a similar problem.  I didn't know but there is a metal sleeve inside the stem tube. That regulates the working of the stem as you pull it out to set the time or push it in to wind.  There is a five part series on YT that discusses the workings and fine tuning of this mechanism.  I've inserted just the first part of the series. There is a special tool (a sleeve removal tool) that is used to fine tune or remove the sleeve.  I do not know if adjusting or replacing the sleeve will resolve my issue as I am waiting for the tool which i purchased to arrive so I can take out and inspect the sleeve.

Just wanted to thank you for this.  I know it's been a while since you posted it, but it's still helping new people.  The very first watch I managed to completely disassemble, clean, reassemble, and get working had this problem.  I've spent ages trying to figure out why this was happening, and compared the keyless works to other movements and couldn't see a difference.  It never occurred to me it could be sleeve depth.  After a quick disassembly and four or five turns of the wrench, I heard a click and the problem was solved.  I was so pleased I broke the crystal!!!  But that I know how to replace, so thanks again!!!!

Edited October 2, 2023 by PWFDmedic