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Well here goes. At my work wrist watches are forbidden so I dug up a vintage no name pin pallet pocket watch out of my collection,so if I damage it all OK. I stripped the movement out of the case cleaned it in the ultrasonic wholus bolus. Put it back together. And experimented with oiling all pivots and pin pallet with only mobius 9415. D5 on the mainspring and 9415 on time setting mechanism. Well 3 years later it is still running perfect. Here is some photos. Tomorrow I will relume the hands with Superluminova. Mmmmmmm. I never set the time and have kept it wound seven days a week for 3 years as an experiment. Once I am home back on goes a wristwatch. Has anyone else done a lube experiment. I must admit this old German movement is like a tractor. 

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Hi  Many of the 3/4 plate pin levers were for the working man and as such were build with that in mind . Robust and no fancy frills just a working watch. Kind of like the smiths and ingersoll 3/4 plates.   Most of the local farmers had them some in a second cover so they did not suffer too much in the pocket along with the nails .screws baler,twine etc.  they went for years and never saw a service.

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On 2/19/2021 at 11:21 PM, WellAdjusted said:

I'd be curious to hear more about your experience with using 9415 for the pivots. I've heard of people using that for pivots for unjeweled bearings in 1J and 7J watches but haven't tried it.

Hi there WellAdjusted .Well at my workplace we are not allowed to wear wristwatches and so what I did was pick a good clean tractor (pin pallet pocket watch ) out of my collection .All i have done is I removed the movement from the case then I removed the dial and hands .Then I ran it through the ultrasonic in lighter fluid ,then in a rinse ,dried it out . Now the next bit happened out of laziness and I thought this would be a good experiment .I was getting prepared to oil the watch after checking the condition of the pivots ,end shake and so on .The movement is in very good shape .I looked across the bench and realized I had put my oils away except for 2 which were unopened .One was D5 and the other 9415,so I thought what the heck ,D5 for the mainspring and 9415 for everything else including the balance pivot cups .3 years on I can see the 9415 on the pivots and time changing mechanism ,which by the way is buttery smooth .And yes I have kept this watch wound every morning sometimes at night as well and it has kept perfect time . Yes it's just an experiment but the watch operates very smoothly so I am going to give it a dress up of superluminova and post more pictures . .This was an accidental experiment that so far has amazed me . 

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1 hour ago, Klassiker said:

Over 1,000 days of continuous running without resetting the time? Wow! How far out is it?

Hi there Klassiker ,that watch is still on time believe it or not .I have a number of pocket watches I have spent a great deal of time on to get the same result . This watch has amazed me and goes to show that all is not as it seems . This watch has given me a soft spot for pin pallet pocket watches . 

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I'm guessing you know which positions are fast and slow, how it goes on a full or half-wind etc. so you know how to place it overnight and when to wind it to bring it "back into line". Or you just wind it once a day and it stays on time with no extra care? Either way, impressive.

What's more, I love the look of it. It just goes to show, a good watch doesn't have to be expensive.  I'm sure you are very attached to it.

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5 hours ago, Klassiker said:

I'm guessing you know which positions are fast and slow, how it goes on a full or half-wind etc. so you know how to place it overnight and when to wind it to bring it "back into line". Or you just wind it once a day and it stays on time with no extra care? Either way, impressive.

What's more, I love the look of it. It just goes to show, a good watch doesn't have to be expensive.  I'm sure you are very attached to it.

I didn't bother with time positions it lays flat,dial up when i'm back at camp and goes in the pocket on a chain when  I go to work ,But gets wound at least once every 12 to 20 hours .And when I get home I wind it every morning because it hasn't lost or gained time . I wish I could of somehow recorded its journey I suppose it's a bit like this

https://wyantgroup.com/remembering-the-three-million-mile-volvo-man/

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