Any thoughts on this Watch and Strange Rotor

[jdrichard]

Picked up the odd Dive watch and know nothing about. Any info on this? Plus the rotor only turns part way and hits the bridge and stops....very odd.

 

[Graziano]

Hi there JD, that is what you call a bumper movement 

A bumper movement is a type of self-winding, automatic movement.

However, unlike a modern automatic, which has the rotor spins a full 360 degrees, a bumper moves back and forth at about 120 degrees.They are fun to wear. You can feel a slight thud as you turn your wrist reminding you that you are wearing a bumper. It is an interesting method to wind the watch that avoids infringing on full rotor patents.Hope that helps 

Cheers Graziano 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Graziano

[Marc]

Looks like an AS1171 which as @Graziano says is a bumper movement. As such the oscillating weight doesn't make a full rotation at all but swings back and forth through an arc of about 170 degrees, bumping off the buffer springs that you can see.

[jdrichard]

On 1/4/2021 at 2:58 AM, Kobus said:

Thanks. Enjoyed that. 

 

On 1/4/2021 at 5:18 PM, luiazazrambo said:

I did not even know that it is called dressing (English is not my mother tongue). Interestingly I have not read your advise or any other advise after the video for dressing and I almost did the same thing on my own following common sense. I worked on my brass tweezers internally first - the only difference was that i used grit 800 and i did not fold it only worked on one of them at the time -, then i worked on them along the sides - perpendicular. I am sure it is not perfect as I did it more or less the first time, but i am sure it is a way better then they were before. I also bought a pair of Dumont tweezers as you are not the first one who said the same thing but with different words: "it was like going from a riding lawn mower to a Rolls Royce". However i have not felt that big jump, i bought a set of 8 stainless steel tweezers from cousinsuk and they are quite ok. (They were advertised as "Superior Quality" but could not compare them to something else - before the Dumont - as it was my first set ever for watchmaking) Well they are good or I am just not experienced enough to feel the difference between those and the Dumont. When I look at them under the microscope the Dumont looks better though.

I know: practice, practice, practice.

All in all very good advice, thank you. 

 

On 1/7/2021 at 5:55 PM, Poljot said:

Being a pirate is no longer a requirement on immigration application.

Arrr

 

22 minutes ago, Marc said:

Looks like an AS1171 which as @Graziano says is a bumper movement. As such the oscillating weight doesn't make a full rotation at all but swings back and forth through an arc of about 170 degrees, bumping off the buffer springs that you can see.

Thanks Mark. I will be stripping it down and getting it working and looking good again. Cool watch that I got in a trade for work.

[jdrichard]

12 hours ago, Graziano said:

Hi there JD, that is what you call a bumper movement 

A bumper movement is a type of self-winding, automatic movement.

However, unlike a modern automatic, which has the rotor spins a full 360 degrees, a bumper moves back and forth at about 120 degrees.They are fun to wear. You can feel a slight thud as you turn your wrist reminding you that you are wearing a bumper. It is an interesting method to wind the watch that avoids infringing on full rotor patents.Hope that helps 

Cheers Graziano 

Very appreciated. I was stumped when I first saw this movement as I was thinking “where the heck is the rotor “  interesting but simple design. When it says incabloc , what is the company that produced by his watch?

[Kobus]

I have a Rotary Incabloc.

[Graziano]

On 1/18/2021 at 10:06 PM, jdrichard said:

Very appreciated. I was stumped when I first saw this movement as I was thinking “where the heck is the rotor “  interesting but simple design. When it says incabloc , what is the company that produced by his watch?

I don't know who made your watch I can't see makers name but back in the mid-20thcentury, the “Incabloc” trademark was a sign of quality and excellence for watches, to the point that brands would print it on their dials, and I have seen incabloc on rotors just like yours. 

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by Graziano

[jdrichard]

20 hours ago, Graziano said:

I don't know who made your watch I can't see makers name but back in the mid-20thcentury, the “Incabloc” trademark was a sign of quality and excellence for watches, to the point that brands would print it on their dials, and I have seen incabloc on rotors just like yours. 

Thanks. I do have another 24 Jewel incabloc. Btw, this watch has a radioactive radium dial.

[Graziano]

13 hours ago, jdrichard said:

Thanks. I do have another 24 Jewel incabloc. Btw, this watch has a radioactive radium dial.

Hi JD, this is a good read to help understand no name watches. 

https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/whomademywatch.php

[Nucejoe]

 I have got two bumper automatics( AS made specially for Mido), with the original MS still in the barrel, a detached special spindle. Though a regulare type spring replacement can't be ruled out, I wonder what original MS in my watch is telling.

 I suggest you check and try to source a MS for this before investing time in it.

Regs

Joe

 

[Nucejoe]

On 1/19/2021 at 2:04 AM, Graziano said:

I don't know who made your watch I can't see makers name but back in the mid-20thcentury, the “Incabloc” trademark was a sign of quality and excellence for watches, to the point that brands would print it on their dials, and I have seen incabloc on rotors just like yours. 

Hi Graziano,  Do I have your permission to repost this (Picture or whatever its called) in the froum as it will surely come needed. 

Regs 

Joe

[Marc]

@jdrichard you might want to have a look at the item below before you strip down your watch, it's not the most common of arrangements.

 

[Graziano]

16 minutes ago, Nucejoe said:

Hi Graziano,  Do I have your permission to repost this (Picture or whatever its called) in the froum as it will surely come needed. 

Regs 

Joe

Hi Joe, please delete it as I didn't even think about that, I don't want to cause any problems. Sorry about that. 

[jdrichard]

3 hours ago, Graziano said:

Hi JD, this is a good read to help understand no name watches. 

https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/whomademywatch.php

Big thanks, will read

[jdrichard]

1 minute ago, jdrichard said:

Big thanks, will read

Great link

[jdrichard]

40 minutes ago, Marc said:

@jdrichard you might want to have a look at the item below before you strip down your watch, it's not the most common of arrangements.

 

Thanks Marc, I will review.

[Nucejoe]

1 hour ago, Graziano said:

Hi Joe, please delete it as I didn't even think about that, I don't want to cause any problems. Sorry about that. 

Hi Graziano,  I don't think there is any problem with you post.

I find this gifs very useful specially helpful to me when I try to explain things with my broken English.

I was just asking for your permission to use it, playing polite, didn't want to just steal it.

Regs 

Joe

[Graziano]

28 minutes ago, Nucejoe said:

Hi Graziano,  I don't think there is any problem with you post.

I find this gifs very useful specially helpful to me when I try to explain things with my broken English.

I was just asking for your permission to use it, playing polite, didn't want to just steal it.

Regs 

Joe

 

Also this link is helpful for explanation, 

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by Graziano