Cannon Pinion Help!

[saswatch88]

hello guys, been a while but I have a movement that is really starting to get the best of me. problem after problem then finally when i got it all together and thinks its good to go I realize the hands are not moving even though watch is ticking away......now I know what your gunna say "loose cannon pinion" well no if anything its seems too tight. Its stiff when changing time from the crown, i checked each wheel separately and doesnt seem to be any binding until i put the canon pinion and the wheel that moves the canon pinion from the stem (whatever that wheel is called drawing a blank). I really dont get it, I have tried it with 4 other pinions and still no dice. I dont see how a tight cannon pinion would stop the time from advancing. iam thinking about replacing the center wheel but not sure what that will do since i tested the train before installing the pallet fork and balance and its as smooth as ice. BTW its a waltham 1907 7 jewel 0s movement. any ideas.

[oldhippy]

Have you checked for wear on the center wheel. Photos might help us to help you. 

[Nucejoe]

9 hours ago, saswatch88 said:

 iam thinking about replacing the center wheel but not sure what that will do since i tested the train before installing the pallet fork and balance and its as smooth as ice.

I agree,  Check if center wheel slips on its arbour.

 

[JohnR725]

10 hours ago, saswatch88 said:

waltham 1907

I don't suppose you're trying to run the watch like you normally would without the case?

This is where it be helpful to have a picture for everybody not familiar with American pocket watches? a problem with American pocket watches is, when the movement is out of the case the case has the crown and stem. The movement then goes into setting and if you try to run the watch out of the case in the setting position it doesn't always run. Sometimes the run fine but they're still driving all the setting mechanism.

Later on the watch companies grasping that they had a problem put a variety of ways to put the watch basically into a service mode which is basically put it back into a winding position out of the case. I could make a variety of gases where it is but it be helpful if you give us a picture or several. Like a side picture where the stem goes and would be helpful and the front and the back.

then as it's an American pocket watch and they have parts manuals showing all the parts just because they exist swapping them is not a good idea. The catalog may show interchangeability but often times the parts were fit for that particular watch. So if you start swapping parts you can end up with all kinds of interesting and strange issues. Always best if you can keep the original parts with the original watch.

[Poljot]

Obviously, cannon pinion is not your problem. Please read JohnR725's comment above. In particular his "without the case" point. I do not know if you actually have the watch case, and if you do, did you alter the Sleeve (removed it for cleaning, etc?). That could be a part of the problem also and you need to simply adjust it.