Jacot tool and pivot file burnisher question

[jnash]

nice work, been meaning to do this but other projects always pop up first!

[szbalogh]

Nicely done! Did motorized my pivot drilling/polishing tool after messing a bit with a bow. The bow was grabbing the piece to hard and with the electric motor i can set the pulley so soft, that if the drill is accidentally grabbing in the staff thet the pulley will slip avoiding the drill to break. Not to mention that i can use my other hand to support the file.

I see You have a nice speed-regulator. I am using a cheap PWM regulator. You should spin much faster or you will grow beard  Does your motor have a transmission gear train? A simple DC motor would be better. 

There is also a great science behind polishing. Like how much and fast You should move the burnisher back and forth compared to the turning speed to avoid flat pinion mantle. 

[jdm]

Great! Use aromatic oil for polishing?

[tmac1956]

8 hours ago, jdm said:

Great! Use aromatic oil for polishing?

Yes - but for no particular reason. I seem to recall a DVD from AWCI showing them using it, but only because they liked the smell.

[tmac1956]

8 hours ago, szbalogh said:

Nicely done! Did motorized my pivot drilling/polishing tool after messing a bit with a bow. The bow was grabbing the piece to hard and with the electric motor i can set the pulley so soft, that if the drill is accidentally grabbing in the staff thet the pulley will slip avoiding the drill to break. Not to mention that i can use my other hand to support the file.

I see You have a nice speed-regulator. I am using a cheap PWM regulator. You should spin much faster or you will grow beard  Does your motor have a transmission gear train? A simple DC motor would be better. 

There is also a great science behind polishing. Like how much and fast You should move the burnisher back and forth compared to the turning speed to avoid flat pinion mantle. 

Most of the cheaper DC motors that I looked at were way too fast for me. This one is geared and I can kick it up by going to 12 volts DC which better approximates my best manual speed. Don't get me wrong... there's nothing wrong with going faster. I'm just not very comfortable with it.

Thanks!

[david]

Szbalogh,

That motor is a DC motor with a gear reduction built into the housing. The speed can be modified with either changes in the pulleys or the turning the knob on the  controller.

david

Edited August 30, 2016 by david

[DouglasSkinner]

Very nice.  Want to do something similar with my Jacot tool.  Need to figure out where to get an appropriate motor to take the place of the bow.

[jdm]

Great work. I had a cutting board like that (kitchen basin cover) stored for decades, now that you show this I don't known if I still have it [emoji50]

[matabog]

I got myself a jacot tool in poor condition at a high price...

I wanted it for pivot polishing, but then I read on a blog that it is used mainly for burnish or reducing a pivot diameter (only as a last resort as it can do more harm then good) 

any advice or pet on the back?

Edited September 24, 2016 by matabog

[oldhippy]

I hardly ever used mine. I used a watchmakers lathe, you can turn the pivot down, polish and burnish the thing.

A jacot tool is for burnishing pivots. I don't think you can achieve what is needed in turning a pivot down as well as using a lathe. 

 

[rogart63]

Bought one cheap the other day. But not sure when i am going to use it? 

Was thinking of the bow that i have seen on Youtube. What is that made of? 

[oldhippy]

You can make one out of many things a popular one is piano wire and a bird quill, don't ask me the thickness of the wire I don't know.   

[rogart63]

 

55 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

You can make one out of many things a popular one is piano wire and a bird quill, don't ask me the thickness of the wire I don't know.   

Now that i now a little more i could probably google it? 

[jdrichard]

Just purchased a Jacot Tool and now I need to figure out how to use it. Does anyone know a good reference for it's use. I will be using it to burnish pivots or reduce their size, etc

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[SteveFitzwater]

Donald DeCarle's book has a section on it

[oldhippy]

There's a few clips on youtube.

[jdrichard]

Donald DeCarle's book has a section on it

Actually have this book


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[matabog]

if you're not making your's staffs at a lathe, or changing cracked jewels you might use it as a paper weight, like I do...

pardon the dark humor...

I suppose you want your balance staffs nice and shiny, like I did - the problem is you'll thin them down - you'll gain side shake and you'll need to change the jewels...

I'm thinking of using polishing paste on 8mm wood rod (instead of the Jacot's steel parts), but didn't get to do that yet.

 

B

 

[jdrichard]

Many good points, however, I am planning on changing jewels an have had issues with pivots that are too big so I plan on using the tool and like all watch repair tools, you use them when you need to.


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[matabog]

congrats, then! You'll use it for what it was meant

You'll need a fine Mississippi stone to tackle the pivot from the top.

[Tmuir]

2 hours ago, matabog said:

congrats, then! You'll use it for what it was meant

You'll need a fine Mississippi stone to tackle the pivot from the top.

Mississippi stone is a new one on me.

I know about Water of Ayr stones, Arkansas stones, Tam O Shan stones, plus the many synthetic stones, but have not heard of a Mississippi stone before, is that just like a Arkansas stone?

[szbalogh]

As i understand a Jackot tool is used with different "files" for the different needs.

For burnishing one just using a piece of flat steel with oil to avoid reducing the diameter but make the staff shiny. This method is also excellent to remove hard gum from the pivots.

To reduce the diameter one should not use grinding paste since that will also alter the tool notches. UI would use only abrasive stone or steel file. For example Degussit midget files.

 

[oldhippy]

You can buy a burnishing tool just be careful and make sure you get the one for you as they come left or right handed. Needle files are also used for reduction.

[SteveFitzwater]

stone, files, burnishing tools are all used with a Jacot tool, the Jacot tool is covered in the Lathe section in the DeCarle book (Chap. 17)

I use mine all the time, but I work mainly on late 1800's to early 1900's watches, the pinions need to be polished, I believe Stephan Pahlow has a video out where he is also using a Jacot tool,

[jdrichard]

Interested in knowing the Brand and Material makeup of this Jacot tool I actually just purchased.

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