What a hideous piece of junk.

[oldhippy]

Yes folks, brought to us from our good friends ebay. Would you pay £400.00 for this? If so you need locking up.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-STYLE-LARGE-REPEATING-REPEATER-ALARM-ENAMEL-PANEL-CARRIAGE-CLOCK/133396725177?hash=item1f0f107db9:g:QuwAAOSwIWBdmk3O

[clockboy]

It does say "offered with faults". 

Sadly some unsuspecting customer will buy. eBay can be so very good BUT dodgy goods are there too.

 

 

[eccentric59]

I think that clock was one of the reasons they beheaded Marie Antoinette.

[wls1971]

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/john-nicholson/catalogue-id-srjo10202/lot-75ff7c44-2860-41c3-a77b-a9180113c51a

Idiots do buy them and quite a few go through the auction houses the one in the above link fetched £600.00 before commission, you would have to be a uneducated moron to part with that kind of money for one or any kind of money for that point.

[Spencelayh]

There is no accounting for taste, there will be people out there who just love it. (I'm not one)

[JohnD]

Everything about it screams cheap and nasty!

[Tmuir]

I'll pass, but atleast he does say.

'IN THE CLASSICAL ANTIQUE STYLE THIS CLOCK IS OF RECENT MANUFACTURE.'

But I'm sure many people wont read that line.

[oldhippy]

In case you don't know it was made in China. 

[watchweasol]

Its just a bit over done,  As Tmuir says  of RECENT manufacture  like last month??????. Bloody horrible.

[Johnnie]

Looks like an Italian hearse. 

[jdm]

39 minutes ago, Johnnie said:

Looks like an Italian hearse. 

Napolitan would be the most correct typification.

[Johnnie]

2 hours ago, jdm said:

Napolitan would be the most correct typification.

Japanese noodles ! 

[Lenj]

On 4/28/2020 at 12:02 PM, oldhippy said:

Yes folks, brought to us from our good friends ebay. Would you pay £400.00 for this? If so you need locking up.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-STYLE-LARGE-REPEATING-REPEATER-ALARM-ENAMEL-PANEL-CARRIAGE-CLOCK/133396725177?hash=item1f0f107db9:g:QuwAAOSwIWBdmk3O

Yes OH, but it does have a nice hammer for the bell...lol

[HectorLooi]

I don't have much experience with antique clocks. How do you tell if a clock is real antique and how do you spot a fake.

Can anyone tell me if this one is the real deal or a fake?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/383533429405

 

[wls1971]

The one in your link is a genuine french carriage clock but the platform escapement is a modern Swiss replacement, many clock makers replace platforms that have been broken or damaged rather than repair, this effects the value and integrity of the clock.

[HectorLooi]

Is there any way to date a clock like this?

When restoring a piece like this, should the original patina be left as it is? Or can it be polished to a shine and relacquered? Or would that be a sacrilege? 

[wls1971]

The clock in your link is typical of French production of between 1890 and 1920, this was the period of peak production for the french carriage clock makers, some cases are plated and some are made with a gold ormolu finish but the vast majority are just polished brass so polishing them up and re lacquering would be the best way of cleaning the clock and preventing tarnish.

You can usually spot ormolu cases by the very rich gold colour that has a slight satin sheen these cases should not be polished because it will ruin the finish of the clock.

Another thing to watch for when buying carriage clocks is the glass although some attempt was made by the French to standardise glass sizes it was not very successful it is important that the glass is tight fitting and free from damage because it protects the clock movement from dust, broken glass is very expensive to replace because ideally each piece has to be cut for the individual clock, so if you have a couple of broken pieces of glass it can make the clock all but worthless and uneconomical to repair.

Edited May 6, 2020 by wls1971

[Colditz]

OH

Totally agree. Very Tarts Rococo. Not my cuppa at all. £400? I'd rather get a Gents Pulsynetic master clock with all the little penny weights.

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, HectorLooi said:

Is there any way to date a clock like this?

When restoring a piece like this, should the original patina be left as it is? Or can it be polished to a shine and relacquered? Or would that be a sacrilege? 

You need to be careful, not all cases are brass, some are bronze. Polishing and lacquering brass cases will not effect the value of the clock. You are just restoring it to how it was in its original way. 

    wls1971, is perfectly correct a replacement platform deprecates the value of the clock.

If for some reason you have to replace the platform, normally the balance staff or the cylinder has broken, then the original platform should be kept with the clock. Most repairers say it is not cost effective to make a staff, I shouldn't think there are many around who would undertake making a cylinder. One other thing with carriage clocks when it comes to re-bushing, if the clock has been repaired correctly you shouldn't be able to see the new work it is called invisible re-bushing. 

[HectorLooi]

1 hour ago, Colditz said:

OH

Totally agree. Very Tarts Rococo. Not my cuppa at all. £400? I'd rather get a Gents Pulsynetic master clock with all the little penny weights.

I've never heard of a pulsynetic clock before this. I watched a few YouTube videos to find out more. 

Oh noooo.... I think I'm hooked! 

[oldhippy]

Here is a very nice Bronze French carriage clock. I'm posting this so you can see the difference between Bronze and Brass, One thing I forgot to mention Bronze is heavier then Brass.

  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-19th-C-French-Bronze-Striking-Repeater-Alarm-8Days-Mantel-Carriage-Clock/383534583028?hash=item594c714cf4:g:VCEAAOSwPz1eso69