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Certina 25-651 Date wheel problem

Trident7

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Hi, I have an issue with the date function on my Certina DS2 Super PH1000M.

I had a new date change wheel fitted last year when the little spring fell off the existing one (a common problem on these I understand).

It worked fine for a short while but then I put it in the safe for a few months & didn't wear it again until recently.

The problem is that the date starts to change just before midnight but doesn't completely click into place. The watch hands then become stuck at 12.12 (from memory..could be 12.07 otherwise)

If I pull the crown out and very carefully & slowly change the hands from 11.45 to 12.15, the date usually clicks into place.

It's just that it's getting stuck when left to its own devices

Any ideas as to what's going on?

Also are there any recommendations regarding UK watch makers/repairers/horologists who are familiar with this movement? The chap who I have used for the last few years has unfortunately retired.

Thanks in advance!

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