Jump to content

Vostok 2409 First Watch Repair

BradheadBANNED

By BradheadBANNED
in Introduce Yourself Here

 Share

Recommended Posts

BradheadBANNED New Member

BradheadBANNED

Posted
Posted

Hey All

I am brand new here!  And this is my first attempt to service a movement.

What brought me here is my Vostok amphibia which is currently not working. I believe the movement to be a 2414 or a 2409. 

The watch has stopped running, and makes a terrible grinding noise when I attempt to wind it. (This occurred after I removed and reinserted the stem).

Any help would be awesome!

I intend to strip the watch down clean it oil it and put it back together!

Warmest

Bradhead

Link to comment
Share on other sites
watchweasol Distinguished Member

watchweasol

Posted
Posted

Hi   and welcome to the forum.  I take it the watch was ok before the stem was removed and re inserted, For what reason was that done ? .   The fault seems as that it is self inflicted in as much that the stem/keyless work are missaligned or damaged. I would desist from continuing to wind the watch and to investigate what's gone wrong. the likelyhood is that the crown and or castle wheels are or have been displaced.  The only answer is to remove the dial and hands and observe the keyless work alignment as regards to the stem fitting and engagement with the ratchet wheel(great wheel) only then when its working ok proceed to do the maintenance.  I Have attached the tech sheets for both calibres   hope they will provide some guidence. 

Wostok 2409.pdf Wostok 2414.pdf

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
VWatchie Distinguished Member

VWatchie

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, Bradhead said:

Hey All

I am brand new here!  And this is my first attempt to service a movement.

What brought me here is my Vostok amphibia which is currently not working. I believe the movement to be a 2414 or a 2409. 

The watch has stopped running, and makes a terrible grinding noise when I attempt to wind it. (This occurred after I removed and reinserted the stem).

Any help would be awesome!

I intend to strip the watch down clean it oil it and put it back together!

Warmest

Bradhead

Welcome Bradhead and congrats on your choice of movement. I started out with Vostoks myself and had an absolutely amazing time with them taking my first steps at tinkering, servicing, and repairing. When new, the Ratfaced git's Vostok videos were very useful and inspiring to me. Anyway, when and if you want to get serious I do recommend www.watchrepairlessons.com. The Ratfaced git (Dan) is a self-taught retired car mechanic, and he doesn't always do things by best practice. Nevertheless useful and inspiring!

You don't have to guess about the calibre if you know it's a Vostok 24XX something. If it is a mechanical (wind-up) Vostok without a date complication it is a 2409, otherwise a 2414. If it is an automatic watch without a date complication it is a 2415, otherwise a 2416. Either way all of these movements are very similar, with the added date complication being the only difference, and most parts (with a few exceptions) are interchangable.

Now, about your watch; 

Well, it's always difficult to speculate but my guess is that you didn't get the stem pressed in all the way. This is a somewhat common problem with the Vostoks. I suggest you grab the stem on the inside of the case with tweezers (or very pointed pliers) and try to press the stem into the movement the last bit as far as you can. You need to use a bit of force, but be careful. Sometimes you hear a click when the stem seats itself properly.

For spares you can pick up a lot of movements on eBay for next to nothing and then scavenge them for parts which is good and fun practice. For example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2409A-B-caliber-VOSTOK-Watch-Movements-Altered-Art-6-pcs-415/153773928815

Good luck and please keep us updated on your progress!

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
BradheadBANNED New Member

BradheadBANNED

Posted
  • Author
Posted (edited)

@watchweasol @VWatchie

Hey!

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to get back to me!

@watchweasol - Yes I am resisting doing anything to it and will do as you recommended and take the dial of before progressing. 

Edit: The reason for the removal of the stem was to, re seat a hand which had which fallen off.

@VWatchie - Thanks for all the on going help, will dive into the resources you pointed me to.

 

Thanks again!

 

Edited by Bradhead
Link to comment
Share on other sites
yankeedog Distinguished Member

yankeedog

Posted
Posted

The 2409 is pretty  simple  and robust, although  I confess a preference  for the 2209..proceed slowly..take pictures as you  go..be very careful  with the balance  staff . If this is your first attempt  you may very well  mess it up..luckily  used 2409 can be bought all day long on ebay or etsy for very little  money.  To do  this right  you are going to need some decent  screw  drivers and tweezers.. and a movement  holder. Economy grade is ok for starters..

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
yankeedog Distinguished Member

yankeedog

Posted
Posted

One other  caveat...beware  of the JESUS  spring..small  little  springs  in the works  that fly off to only God  knows  where..when  working on or around  them  I like to put the watch inside a gallon  sized plastic bag..I work on top of a sheet  of copier  paper.. the springs  get contained and you can spot them  easily  against  the white paper. 

  • Like 3
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • 2 weeks later...
Endeavor Distinguished Member

Endeavor

Posted
Posted (edited)
On 1/30/2020 at 1:04 PM, watchweasol said:

Hi   and welcome to the forum.  I take it the watch was ok before the stem was removed and re inserted, For what reason was that done ? .   The fault seems as that it is self inflicted in as much that the stem/keyless work are missaligned or damaged. I would desist from continuing to wind the watch and to investigate what's gone wrong. the likelyhood is that the crown and or castle wheels are or have been displaced.  The only answer is to remove the dial and hands and observe the keyless work alignment as regards to the stem fitting and engagement with the ratchet wheel(great wheel) only then when its working ok proceed to do the maintenance.  I Have attached the tech sheets for both calibres   hope they will provide some guidence. 

Wostok 2409.pdf 4.03 MB · 11 downloads Wostok 2414.pdf 4.58 MB · 8 downloads

Thank you Watchweasol for posting these two parts list ! :thumbsu:

Do you happen to have the parts-list for Vostok 2416b as well ?

Kind regards ...

Edited by Endeavor
Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • 9 months later...
  • 1 month later...
Mark Distinguished Member

Mark

Posted
Posted

The OP has requested to be removed from the forum, I have no idea why as he did not state a reason - but it seems he got the help he wanted. 

But the thread will remain active as the information here may still help others in the future.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • rossjackson01
      Intro

      By rossjackson01 · Posted

      Welcome my friend. 
    • rossjackson01
      Help please.

      By rossjackson01 · Posted

      Been there. Worn that Tshirt.  'ping'. Hands and knees. Nothing. Nada. 20 minutes? Ha! I found it 7 month later. How? Well, after advice from a member, I invested in a £4 UV light torch.  Hands and knees looking for a 'ping' from a Sekonda, found them both within 30 seconds. UV makes the jewel shine. easy peasy. Could have taken longer. Just lucky on the location of the search. Hope this helps.
    • Rixy
      Broken lug

      By Rixy · Posted

      Thanks Dell. I thought about silver soldering. Have never done it but would like to give it a go. Do you think to put flux on the butted joint then run the solder in or to maybe brace it with a piece of scrap spring steel?
    • rossjackson01
      Without Our Forum

      By rossjackson01 · Posted

      Never and others. Yes, like you I do spend a fair amount of time reading the contents of this forum. I find it better that any other. Clear, lucid, no Prima Donas, and most of all an easy access without adverts. All thanks to Mark. God bless you mate. You give so much to many of us. What if? No Mark? Hypothetically. A forum. I did run a forum for a few years. Really enjoyed it, but became so engrossed that it did affect my health. I gave to to others to run. Not been back. It was very successful and rivalled a number of large paying sites. No adverts, no others but me. I did ask and listen to members comments and it worked well.    Costs Having a domain name, £10 annually.  Register the site with a forum company, free. Build the site using the forum company guide lines, free. It looked and ran almost the same a Mark's. All the same facilities. The cost was only £5 per month, but counted visits (views). If I recall, it was that price for 5,000 views. Each extra 5,000 views increased the price by £2 per month. Success was my own personal undoing. From £5 per month initially, it rose to £60 a month and looked like increasing. This was 10 years ago. I could not afford that, and asked it anyone would like to take over and someone did. I would assume that this is the price that Mark is funding for us all. His return is our continued comments on the internet about his course, and the fact that many of the big names on YouTube mention him as their Tutor. Those of us who have done, and are still using, his course, benefit. In comparison to other courses, I can't believe how cheap it is, and the value is exceptional. It is the structure that gives the value. Long may Mark reign. Ross  
    • TheQuietMan
      Help please.

      By TheQuietMan · Posted

      Hi all, total newbie to watchmaking and I've had a bit of a mishap. Just completing level 2 and was doing ok, but I was just on the last part of the reassembly of my ST3620 when the balance end stone shot across the room, just as I was trying to see if I had put the correct amount of oil between it and the balance end, aarrrgh! Been on my hands and knees combing the carpet for 20mins looking for it but to no avail. Does anybody know where I can get a replacement from and what to look for please?? Thanks.
×
×
  • Create New...