What Movement??

[Paul78]

I have a Rotary 21 Jewel Automatic, it has a broken setting lever spring. The movement has absolutely nothing on it to distinguish it other than stamped on the rotor ' 21 Jewel Swiss Made '

If there is nothing on the movement how do I know what to look for?

This would obvsiously help me with other brands not just rotary so my question I suppose is, how do I know what I'm looking for??

[Geo]

Post a picture Paul, someone might recognise it.

[clockboy]

Normally marked under the balance staff i.e. ETA !!!!

[Paul78]

This is a pic of the movement without the rotor, I don't have an image with the balance removed and can't recall if there was any inscription on the body. I'm almost certain there wasn't but I will double check tomorrow.

[Geo]

What is the number under the balance wheel?

Edited January 5, 2015 by Geo

[Marc]

I'll put money on that being an A. Schild of some sort.

 

Maybe an AS1895 or AS1893. In the 189X series anyway.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Marc

[Paul78]

What is the number under the balance wheel?

I'll check this first thing in the morning and post.

The movement is in the work shop.

[Marc]

Maybe an AS1893 or AS1895. In the 189X series anyway.

[Marc]

oops!!  double post.... sorry  :startle:

[Blacklab]

Looks like you got it Marc. More info here Paul: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&AS_1893

[Geo]

Well done boys! :-)

[Paul78]

That's fantastic! Thank you! So should this movement have that reference somewhere on it? That I've obviously missed?

[Marc]

It should be stamped on the main plate underneath the balance. On some older movements it may be found under the dial.

[Paul78]

Thanks Marc, I'll check it over. Thanks again for your help guys, this site is invaluable for newbies like me.

[Paul78]

OK, so I've checked and its a AS 1882/83 movement, which is sadly no longer available! i need a setting lever spring, can anyone help?

[ash145]

Paul, just serviced one myself but in a vintage Nisus watch, I really like ASchild movements. I have a few spares and quite a few AS movement parts are interchangable. if you post a pic may be able to help or give you a alternative movement.

[Don]

Cousins has data sheets for both 1882 and 1883. You can set up an account and download them yourself or I can upload the pdfs here, as long as that's okay with Mark. They both list the setting lever spring as part #445. I did a search on Jules Borel and there are quite a few movements using the same part (see below). If Ash doesn't have the part you might be able to find one of these movements on eBay. You could get a bunch of spare parts. I did the same for an AS 1880 I'm working on.

 

WATCH MATERIAL INTERCHANGE LIST
445/1029
SET BRIDGE
445/AS 1714
 
AS 1714       DSS MAINSPRING 1 X 9 1/2 X 12 1/2 TONGUE END
AS 1715       DSS CALENDAR
AS 1716       AUTO DSS 18,000 BPH BALL BEARING
AS 1717       AUTO DSS CAL
AS 1746      DSS
AS 1747      DSS-CALENDAR
AS 1748      AUTO-DSS-18,000 BPH
AS 1749      AUTO-DSS-CALENDAR
AS 1798       AUTO-DSS-18,000 BPH
AS 1799       AUTO-DSS-18,000 BPH
AS 1820      DSS AUTO W/BALL BEARINGS CALENDAR W/DATE DAY DISCS STUD
AS 1824      DSS-AUTO-CALENDAR-DAY DATE
AS 1825      DSS-AUTO-CALENDAR DAY DATE
AS 1826      DSS-AUTO-BALL BEARINGS-CALENDAR-DAY-DATE
AS 1827      DSS AUTO W/BALL BEARINGS-CAL-DAY-DATE
AS 1860      21,600 BPH DSS
AS 1861      21,600 BPH DSS CALENDAR
AS 1862      21,600 BPH DSS AUTO BALL BEARINGS
AS 1863      21,600 BPH-DSS-AUTO-BALL-BEARINGS-CALENDAR
AS 1866      21,600 BPH-DSS-AUTO-BALL-BEARINGS-CALENDAR-DAY-DATE
AS 1880      21,600 BPH DSS
AS 1881      21,600 BPH DSS
AS 1882      21,600 BPH-DSS-AUTO-SHOCK
AS 1883      21,600 BPH-DSS-SHOCK-AUTO-CALENDAR
AS 1885      21,600 BPH-SHOCK-DSS-AUTO-CALENDAR-DAY-DATE-
AS 1886      21,600 BPH-DSS-AUTO-CALENDAR-DAY & DATE
AS 1892      21,600 BPH-DSS-AUTO W/BALL BEARINGS-SHOCK
AS 1893      21,600 BPH-DSS-SHOCK-AUTO W/BALL BEARINGS-CALENDAR
AS 1895      21,600-DSS-AUTO-CAL-DAY-DATE-BALL BEARINGS
AS 1896      21,600 BPH-DSS-AUTO-BALL BEARINGS-DAY-DATE
ELG 925      17 JL INCA DSS AUTO
ELG 926      17 JL INCA DSS AUTO CALENDAR
ELG 943      MECHANICAL MVT
ELG 962      17 JL-INCA-DSS-AUTO
ELG 971      17JL 18,000 BPH DSS CALD
LP 60      AUTO AS 1714-48:USE AS 1863 FOR DATE PARTS
LP 60C      AUTO DSS CALENDAR
LP 61      21,600 BPH DSS AUTO W/BALL BEARING
LP 61C      21,600 BPH 17JL INCA DSS AUTO W/BALL BEARINGS CAL
LP 80C     
MID 1127-O      18,000 BPH INCA DSS AUTO
MID 1127-OC      DSS AUTO CALENDAR 18,000 BPH INCA
MID 1137-O      19800 BPH-INCA-DSS-AUTO
MID 1137-OC      DSS AUTO CAL INCA 19,800 BPH

[Don]

I just did a quick search of the store I bought my AS movement from. They have a ton of AS parts. Will this do the trick?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AS-11-caliber-1714-setting-lever-spring-watch-movement-part-/271132383034

[Paul78]

Hi Don, thanks for your help, I've already managed to get my hands on one, a member from here pointed me in the right direction. I already have an account with cousins/Walsh/AG Thomas etc etc. We own a Watch & Clock business in Hull - UK, we usually outsource our mechanical watches but I've started doing them myself, I'm kind of learning on the job. I know if i make a mistake or do something wrong i can always have our usual horologist take a look. He getting close to retirement age now, so rather than look for someone else to take on the work i thought id do them myself. I do all quartz stuff myself but mechanical is new to me, I'm fairly decent at doing the repairs/servicing its finding the parts I'm struggling with, especially obsolete parts.

 

but thanks again.

[Paul78]

Does anyone know where i can get a diagram for the AS 1882/83 movement? ive tried cousins document downloas but they only have a parts list. im strgglig with a few parts ive forotten where they go! help lol

[Mark]

Does anyone know where i can get a diagram for the AS 1882/83 movement? ive tried cousins document downloas but they only have a parts list. im strgglig with a few parts ive forotten where they go! help lol

 

Im sorry I looked through my sheets and have not got one. I know this does not help you now but consider using a digital camera when taking watches apart. A good one that gets up close and is cheap would be a Panasonic TZ7 or similar, for the price it has a good macro close-up ability. Even I use one occasionally when I need to - they are really handy. Back in the day we used to make drawings :)

Again, I know that doesn't help now but just trying to help for the future :)

[Paul78]

i already do this with my iphone 6 camera, i hold an eye glass on the lens and take the photo, it works really well, but i just cant work out where a spring goes, i think it might have jumped out of place while taking apart and i didnt realise!

[jnash]

i already do this with my iphone 6 camera, i hold an eye glass on the lens and take the photo, it works really well, but i just cant work out where a spring goes, i think it might have jumped out of place while taking apart and i didnt realise!

 

Heya, do you have a pic of the spring, sure between us we can help!

[Lawson]

Marc, on 06 Jan 2015 - 08:14 AM, said:

I'll put money on that being an A. Schild of some sort.

 

Maybe an AS1895 or AS1893. In the 189X series anyway.

 

Wow!  Marc you identified in it under ten minutes!! Amazing :o

I hope one day I know movements as well as you do mate

 

I love the guys on this forum!!!

[Paul78]

According to the part list on cousins, this movement only has 2 springs, which I've already put into place, but I still have one left! the mind boggles! lol