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Hello All.

I just found a British Jaeger Car Clock. From what I can find on the internet, it might be a type FAZ, 3 inch dashboard clock, with 8 Day movement. It winds OK and seems to keep time over the short time I have owned it (less than one day...),  but hand setting is a bit hit-and-miss, so I think there may be worn teeth, or something.

I am more used to watches, so have not taken this apart for cleaning and repair (if required) yet. I also cannot yet find any exploded diagrams or anything to let me know how it is constructed, so am trying to find some information that may help me.

As far as I have been able to ascertain, it may have a platform escapement - but that is really all I have been able to determine without taking it apart.

Any assistance with regard to obtaining diagrams etc. would be greatly appreciated.

 

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29 minutes ago, wls1971 said:

  good show,  very good refural.!  do you have any info on the U S "rim set - rim wind?   vin

 

4 minutes ago, wls1971 said:

If it is a FAZ the movement will be the same as this one:

https://onatelier.co.uk/jaeger-classic-car-cockpit-clock

 

5 minutes ago, wls1971 said:

If it is a FAZ the movement will be the same as this one:

https://onatelier.co.uk/jaeger-classic-car-cockpit-clock

    i'll try to post one of my Russ rim sets.  vin

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The rim wind Jaegers/Smiths are fitted with a calibre 201 7 jewel used both in aircraft and car clocks I dont know if the U.S would be the same.

The only rim set car clock I have had was a Benrus Chrysler clock that fitted in the centre of the steering wheel and was automatic winding as you steered the car the clock wound , a very expensive option in the 1950's so very few where sold in the day, I sold it to a classic car restorer in America,

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If its the same as what wls1971 first posted you need to look at these two wheels red circle for wear. The platform should be oiled with pocket watch oil. Grease the winding stem well and the wheels that com into contact.  

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Wow, so much help. Thanks to all who have replied so far. I have added photos of the clock, but have no other information, as I have not yet attempted to get the covers off. (I was waiting to see if any info was forthcoming before just diving in...)

#OldHippy - those pics look the same as the article I was able to find, and my guess it is the same model of clock. I’ll know for certain once I have the covers off.

scince this morning, it has run about 5 Minutes fast over about 6 hours, so needs a service, but nevertheless is working. The hour hand is out of alignment, but that’s easily remedied once I get to reassembly. I have no idea of the current power reserve as I don’t wish to fully wind it until I get it cleaned and serviced first. 
otherwise, it’s a nice looking thing, in reasonable condition.

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9 hours ago, wls1971 said:

The rim wind Jaegers/Smiths are fitted with a calibre 201 7 jewel used both in aircraft and car clocks I dont know if the U.S would be the same.

The only rim set car clock I have had was a Benrus Chrysler clock that fitted in the centre of the steering wheel and was automatic winding as you steered the car the clock wound , a very expensive option in the 1950's so very few where sold in the day, I sold it to a classic car restorer in America,

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   i have seen one.  there was another one for an Oldsmoble  "in the wheel"  around  1950.    the first dash board clocks were  6 volt.    1954 they  were 12 volt.  vin

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Hi all.

*** Update time ***

Got it apart easily, and it is indeed exactly like the one in the "onatelier.co.uk" photos above.

Perversely - it also has exactly the same fault, namely a broken pivot on it's balance staff. :( No idea at all how it managed to run and seem to keep any sort of time. :blink:

Anyway, I have run everything through the cleaning machine and reassembled the main works and it all runs nice and smoothly.

The question now is; am I up to replacing the balance staff on my own? I know that this is a skill that - most likely anyway - any aspiring watch fettler should be able to perform with relative ease, but, this will be my first attempt at one.

Some questions for guidance please:

  1. I have a vintage staking set as well as the usual collection of watch repairers hand tools. Do I need anything more specialised?
  2. Where in the name of heck, would I source a correct-sized replacement balance staff?
  3. Any tips as to how to proceed? Pitfalls? etc.
  4. Or - should I just send it to a "proper" watch fettler and be done with... :D

No really - I would like to do it on my own...

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Some spares for smiths are available you need to identify the platform fitted I think it will be a Smiths EA31 which was widely used by Smiths/Jaeger for car clocks there are some complete platforms available on Ebay and balance staff are available for them remove the platform and post some pics of the platform topside underside and side view.

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Thanks wls1971.

I have attached a couple of photos before disassembly and cleaning, but can’t see any i.d. Markings anywhere, only that it looks the same as the internet article.

I will have a look on eBay as well, to see what I can find.

 

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Thanks wls1971.

I have attached a couple of photos before disassembly and cleaning, but can’t see any i.d. Markings anywhere, only that it looks the same as the internet article.

I will have a look on eBay as well, to see what I can find.

For oldhippy, I attached a photo of the back of mine and will take care to oil it and the click. I was considering Molykote DX, or 8300. I suppose either would work?

i have cleaned the main movement and am also wondering if 1300 will work for the train pivots? Or will something a bit heavier be needed? 
 

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