Greasing barrel wall

[AP1875]

I've been following Marks course and I am now playing around with the mainspring winders. 

I have a clone 3135 movement. 

I have lubricated the spring with 8200 by running some foam contaminated with grease over the spring (like he shows). However, I am wondering do i need to put grease all around the barrel wall? I'm sure I've seen people doing this before but is not done in this video. 

I only really work on the common automatic movements, do I use some grease 82xx to grease the wall of the barrel? 

[JohnR725]

I have a link below to the website talking about lubrication of Rolex. Then I'm attaching a file that also talks about lubrication. So if it was a real Rolex you're supposed to use something called MR-1 that were never going to see in the real world. If you look at both references the mainspring itself is considered prelubricated only the barrel wall is lubricated with this strange substance.

I think if you do a search we've discussed barrel wall lubrication somewhere else in the message board. Another recommendation Is Kluber P125. But if you use this yet be really careful a is just a real tiny bit because it is super sticky

 

 

http://www.horologist.com/rolex_lubrication.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KNTrHVD088

https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/kluber-chronogrease-p125

Rolex-3135-tech.pdf

[AP1875]

Thanks for the links John, I will have a good read of them. 

[AP1875]

22 hours ago, JohnR725 said:

I have a link below to the website talking about lubrication of Rolex. Then I'm attaching a file that also talks about lubrication. So if it was a real Rolex you're supposed to use something called MR-1 that were never going to see in the real world. If you look at both references the mainspring itself is considered prelubricated only the barrel wall is lubricated with this strange substance.

I think if you do a search we've discussed barrel wall lubrication somewhere else in the message board. Another recommendation Is Kluber P125. But if you use this yet be really careful a is just a real tiny bit because it is super sticky

 

 

http://www.horologist.com/rolex_lubrication.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KNTrHVD088

https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/kluber-chronogrease-p125

Rolex-3135-tech.pdf 989.42 kB · 2 downloads

That guy from Sawta is very talented, i follow his schools instagram page, he comes across as a menacing genius. My other takeaway from that video is the practical aspect of greasing the barrel wall. Looks like you need a lot of grease and i imagine when you put your winder in it goes over the edges... I noticed in other threads you talk about 8217, unfortunately the links are broken. I have this grease, would this be an acceptable alternative to the p125? I'll post a picture when i've greased a barrel wall just to check i'm doing it correctly.

I presume Mark doesn't grease the barrel wall of the movement in the video due to it being a manual wind.

[JohnR725]

You want to be very careful on assuming that all lubrication's function exactly the same and the quantities used are exactly the same. As shown in the video if you're using Rolex MR-1 You use what looks like an excessively huge quantity. But if you're using Kluber P125 And you do the same thing you're going to regret it as this stuff is super sticky. Then I have a link below there is additional lubrication's such as you mentioned the 8217 and 8212 for aluminum Wall barrels and 8213 for brass wall barrels.

So basically each of the automatic lubrication for the barrel walls mentioned above is different. That means the quantities applied are different their characteristics conceivably different which is typical for horological lubrication it adds to the confusion.

Then manual wind watches have their mainsprings attached the barrel wall they do not require breaking grease. Automatic watches require their mainsprings to slip before the watches wound up tight. Otherwise you may break the automatic winding mechanism or if you get enough pressure on the mainspring it can cause timing issues with much power. So the mainspring has to slip before the watch is wound up and it shouldn't slip prematurely or too late.

 It looks like from the description below 8217 is a general-purpose soft breaking grease. So basically it looks like a general-purpose breaking grease probably not as sticky asKluber P125 So conceivably use a greater quantity of it. But probably not as much is the Rolex grease.

http://www.moebius-lubricants.ch/en/products/greases

[Delgetti]

As far as I know Rolex developed a special grease for the barrel wall called Tepa. This is only availiable for certified dealers (so not for me). So when I had to lubricate the barrel wall of my 16600 sea dweller I used 8217. It works, watch runs great at about 300 amplitude. Of course I don‘t know if this will be the same on an clone.

[jdm]

58 minutes ago, Delgetti said:

Of course I don‘t know if this will be the same on an clone.

Please excuse the off topic, these are called clones as an euphemism but counterfeit is the proper term especially when there are falsified markings. They are, of course, very far away under all aspects from the authentic item. 

As shown by our Host Mark Lovick

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by jdm