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1930's Ingersoll Mickey Mouse Seconds Disc


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On 3/18/2019 at 11:09 AM, AndyHull said:

I think we may need some pictures for this one. Can you get some good closeups of the parts in question?

AndyHull, I managed to get a lot closer look and found where the broken off extended pivot of the seconds wheel gear was still inside the post of the seconds brass disc. The post is riveted to the seconds disk. The pivot of the seconds wheel gear is press fitted into the post. It was a very tight fit requiring a tiny bit of oil, setting time, and needle nose pliers to remove.

Now, I have to find another seconds wheel gear to replace the one I broke.  

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