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Hello. My question is about Heiden watch winders. I have found a local sale post where a person is selling 2 of these for $165. She claims they work fine. the problem is that she has no manual, and she claims there is no logo or specs (plate) or any info on them. (see attached pics). I am wondering if these are counterfeit. Would this company, who sells this item for $450, not have thier brand and specs on the winders somewhere. do these get faked? is this normal? She cant come up with any model number and says there is nothing on the machines. I looked these up, the ones being sold now have a different pattern. idk if i am looking at an old model. I also found a listing of users manuals that can be downloaded (based on the model number). i know its possible this woman doesn't know anything about them and maybe cant find the info. just wondering if I could be looking at fakes. I am going to look at these tomorrow. with a retail value of $450 each, i am getting a great deal (both for $165). just want to make sure i am not going to see some cheap knockoff winders. do these look legit, and is it reasonable that they have no branding or model number on them? thanks in advance