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  1. Thanks for everyone's help. The clock is now restored and running fine. I made a brass post for the suspension spring and attached some brass rod to the existing crutch to lengthen it. I did suffer a disaster when the escapement snapped when I was trying to bend it a little. But I made another out of an old feeler gauge and it works very well. Actually keeping very good time. Sadly the little brass trigger that initiates the chime broke and I'll need to dismantle the entire movement to repair it. But that's for another day (I didn't really want it chiming anyway as this thing makes a racket!) I'm happy the clock is running again after about 80 years and my first attempt at clock repair has actually been a success!
  2. As far as I can tell the gears aren't overly loose and there is no visible wear. Of course that doesn't mean to say there isn't wear. At the end of the day all I really want to do is to spruce up the casing to look good enough to hang on my hall wall and have it working enough that I can demo it working to friends and family. It doesn't have to keep time or even keep running any length of time. Maybe a few hours max. I spoke to my 96 year old mother today who last remembers the clock working around WW2. It moved from a farm workers house, to a flat, to a large house and then to my house over a period of 70 years. It has never worked since leaving the farm cottage and spent a lot of time in lofts. Shame. So I'd like to bring some life back into it as it's really the only family heirloom I have. Initially I was just going to do up the casing but when I looked at the movement inside and got the chiming train going I was completely fascinated by it. I've no experience with clocks but I have a lot of modelling experience and understand how to work with metal, wood and plastic. This is going to a fun learning curve and journey and may well spark a whole new hobby.
  3. I agree and that's partly why I've been a bit puzzled. I assumed I was missing something but now that I'm getting a little clearer in my head how it works, or should work, it looks like either the crutch or the pendulum has been replaced. Or tried to be replaced. Question is which? It's maybe quite telling that the suspension post and spring are missing. I think they've been removed rather than just fallen off. The existing crutch looks to be a piece of piano wire soldered on to the part the pallet is fixed to (see pic). I know the clock hasn't worked for over 70 years at least. I suspect the original pendulum assembly was damaged when the clock was moved fairly on in it's life. There is no way to access the movement on these without removing the hands and the casing so you couldn't easily remove the pendulum when moving the clock. It's described as a School House Clock so wasn't really meant for domestic use. An American clock in Scotland back in late 19th early 20th Century would have been an expensive repair and my great grandfather was not wealthy. No one knows how he came by it in the first place. My late father fiddled with it in the 1970s and he may have removed the suspension post and even fitted the existing crutch. He never got it working though. So do you think a good course of action here would be to refit a suspension post and spring and cut a slot in the pendulum to see if the current crutch actually works? Or remove the crutch and fit a new brass rod leading down to the existing slot? I'm thinking the latter but I'm still a bit fuzzy on how the brass rod crutch attached the pendulum should look. I can see I'd need to make a wear plate at least. And I imagine I may need a little trial and error to get the right spring length. The actual movement seems to be in very good condition with no wear at all. Which backs up the idea that it hasn't worked for a very long time. The chiming train works perfectly. It will need a clean and an oil though which I'm prepared to take on. And yes i know about the danger of the springs! It's been very helpful to bounce this off someone.
  4. Thanks I've read that post before and a couple of others on this movement. Particularly this one https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/welch-verdi-pendulum-assembly.154830/ If you look at the attached pics carefully you can see the brass rod (that I'm calling the crutch) attached to the pendulum rod behind the movement. I'm sure this brass rod attaches to the part I circled previously that you are calling the crutch. I'm new to all the terms so forgive me if I get anything wrong! It's not impossible that the pendulum and rod aren't original to the clock but very unlikely. Clock has been in the family since early 1900s at least possibly longer. Come to think of it though why is the suspension spring mount missing? It's entirely possible one of my ancestors has fiddled with it... It does make sense that the slot would fit to the part i circled as you suggest but it doesn't and the evidence of the pic I've attached suggests there is another part. If it wasn't for this pic and another I've seen with the brass rod attached the pendulum I'd agree the pendulum rod was the wrong one for the clock.
  5. The slot in the pendulum rod is way too low down for that to fit. My understanding is that there should be a brass rod crutch to fit onto this part but I cannot find a pic or diagram of how.
  6. Thanks for the info. When I say pinion I mean the part circled in this pic. How does the crutch fit to this and what would the crutch look like? Sorry if I'm a bit clueless...
  7. Thanks. How does the crutch fit onto the pinion? I'm thinking I may have to make parts for this with some trial and error. But that's fun...
  8. I have no problem getting pictures of the movement of the Verdi clock or anything similar. But I'm unable to get a pic of the pendulum assembly of the Verdi or anything that has the same configuration. I'm stuck!
  9. Hi, Can anyone please help me figure out how to fix the pendulum in this old Welch wall clock? There seems to be a suspension spring mount missing and there is no spring, crutch etc. Just the pendulum rod with a slot in it and a hook on the top. From pics on line I can see that there should be some sort of brass rod crutch assembly from the slot but I have no idea how this attaches or interacts with the pinion what the hook on the pendulum attaches to and how/if a suspension spring should come into play. Any ideas anyone? Thanks
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