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  1. I see. Thought he might have some help. He sells parts from collected Seiko watches and offers help in finding what is needed. Well, keep looking and you will find what you need. Regards
  2. Hi, did you sort out the differences 6139A < -- > 6139B yet?
  3. Hi jnash do you know this guy on eBay? I think he is in UK Seiko guy. Check him out: http://www.ebay.com.au/usr/schillachi61 Ciao
  4. @ rogart63, thank you for you comment (optimistic) and the repair manual (how do one find them?). This is the B movement so there is a little more hope. Are there significant differences between A and B? I did not like the heavy watches before this one. It wears very nicely. It would be good to restore it. Regards
  5. Hi, I uncovered in my selection of old stock I got from an auction an automatic Seiko chronograph 6139. I read a little about some problems these watches had, namely the clutch on the centre chronograph wheel and the seconds hand mounting. I am not sure if my diagnosis is close: while the chronograph is running the watch keeps time pretty well (within a couple of seconds per day worn on hand). Not always, but more often then not, when the chronograph is stopped the watch slowly stops (say it takes 3-4 seconds). When the chronograph is released the watch starts running. The fly back button does the job properly, start/stop/restart button works well. The watch had issues with the hammer click (was too strong - not original hammer spring) but for the time being it is ok. I did not disassemble the watch yet as I am waiting for the original hammer spring. So this is a little hypothetical/frivolous question: Is there a chance that the (weak spot) centre chronograph wheel needs just cleaning and oil rather then complete replacement? Parts for this movement are scarce and the centre chronograph wheel is unreasonably pricey and the wheel itself - as far as I found out is not serviceable. Any comment will be appreciated. Regards ps. Picture for movement ID.
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    Newbie Roscopf Puzzle...

    ... continued. Lever pins replaced. I will not post details here about the replacing process itself because children might read these posts, however, clockboy was right suggesting that it is not simple. It is done now. The setting clutch was, as I guessed: a friction clutch on the bottom of the barrel. I did not need to disassemble this joint just used stake to push it/loosen it. It works but I am not sure how long it will hold the right tension, it is brass tube/on brass. Assembled at first the escapement was: 1. Lever to close to the escapement wheel - there is fine adjustment which moves the lever in and out. 2. Balance was jamming on one side of the swing. It turned out that the safety pin (which is on the balance) was not aligned with the roller. That was difficult to find but easy to fix. All assembled and the watch is working (balance had 90 degrees swing at one winder turn) full wind gives it little over 180 degrees (maybe 200) which is not so good is it? I cannot find data about a pin lever escapement in this or similar Roscopf. The watch seems very happy - what is interesting is the unusual ticking sound, completely different from the Swiss escapement. Set 9pm it for adjustment so will see tomorrow. After one hour (no second hand) seems good. :-)
  7. Thank for the links rogart63 very valuable. A bit more of the mystery solved. :-)
  8. Thank you all for your answers. Very helpful. I just wander how many stories is there hidden in all those olde watches out there? I think that each old watch holds a little bit of a attending watchmaker's soul locked inside its case. :-) That is why we must be very gentle with them.
  9. If we talk about numbers then the story goes: There is no extra zero '0' on the case (see above). I am wandering about the non standard numbers that appear on watches. The caliber seems to be 1002 (even if the face says Omega, Automatic Deville). The case is stamped inside: ACIER INOXYDABLE in triangle: Ω OMEGA WATCH CO under triangle FAB. SUISSE SWISS MADE 166.051 in domed box; CB SCRIBED: 87578 in group: 2035 BWC 186 078071 PLAQUE OR G 40 MICRONS outside of case (bottom): WATERPROOF 166 051 TOOL 107 Any help in deciphering these will be very, very helpful - I am sure not just for me. :-) Regards
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    Newbie Roscopf Puzzle...

    One of the pins turned out to be broken/bent. Well, decided to replace the pins with new made up - could not find them anywhere. At 0.20mm dia will make them out off a click spring which is 0.22mm - +0.02mm should not make difference. I found in my old Polish watch books a _complete guide_ for inspection, repair and adjustment of this type of pin lever escapement. I might also try to replace (match) balance spring. Will post news.
  11. Thanks for your answers. I thought that I might be going mad by noticing these different numbers. :D I will need to do the cleaning by hand cause no cleaning machine yet. After years of wearing quartz Tissot I will have nice, 'proper', traditional watch for adults. Looking forward to this. Thank you
  12. Hi, (The roscopf here: http://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/2165-newbie-roscopf-puzzle/is on back burner awaiting materials). I purchased today on auction Omega Automatic De Ville. I am confused by the numberings. It ought to have the 560 number on movement instead there is number 1002. I searched on Omega database these numbers and found that the 1002 movement in gilded style should have 166.0051 case instead there is 166.051. How come the differences? Of course I had to get the tough one (opening and taking movement out! :)) Finally got it opened. As you see the case had a hard life and the gilding (40 microns!) is damaged and even peels off in places - sad. Otherwise I think it is very pretty watch. Runs well but needs complete service. Below you can see the numbers 1002 on the movement and 166.051 on the case. The more I am looking at watches the more confusion there is with the numbers... :) So: 1. Is there place where I can find (I looked a fair bit already) a hm... new replacement case for this Omega De Ville? Can the case be changed from gilded into stainless? 2. Is the servicing of this 560 very complex to do? Any special advice from those in the know here? I am reasonably brave to do it. Regards
  13. zenon

    Newbie Roscopf Puzzle...

    Checked the pinions and jewels (DIY microscope) - they are good. The lever is slightly bent up at the end but I doubt it affects the workings, the picture does not show that the escapement wheel is not vertical, I noticed the setting pins of the esc. wheel cock are twisted slightly anticlockwise (to move the esc. wheel closer to the lever) - truly brutalized work done on that. I will try to fix these as a practice job so anything will do. I still have to know the friction joint - if it is there on the barrel bottom, seems the only possibility. I am kind of loosing heart for this watch - the movement is really rough workmanship seemed not worth much attention but is good as a practice on very old movement. If we look at the details of the movement it is really rather blacksmith's work then a watchmaker... :-) Thanks for help.
  14. Hello, I need your help and advice on couple of things: (a) verticality of escapement wheel (how to adjust it), B) puzzling time setting arrangements. I found in the watchmaker's stock I acquired an oldish Brevet 29831 Roscopf pocket watch. Complete but not working, rather worn in places (winding stem) bearings, winding click crudely manufactured (somehow working). The watch was dirty like 100 years old horse cart and the movement quite crudely made (is this how they looked like? :-) ) . the movement is 47mm dia. the face 51mm. After clean and initial assembly (pain in a neck for newbie) found few issues. Esc. lever bent (not equal swing) - repaired; hair spring bent - repaired. Reassembled and oiled on again - (lying on dial side) with weak main spring wind shown bit small balance wheel swing, max wind better swing but still no more then >180 deg. Turning it about makes big difference to the workings (and the ticking) so obviously the play and adjustings of the escapement are out of (if I may say so) whack. :-) Looking inside shown the lever being not vertical. I was not able to make good picture inside but I think it can be seen above that the lever is a bit crooked but the esc. wheel is pretty badly leaning off vertical. Observe the damaged side of the esc. wheel cock. (The whole mechanism looks rather crude). Next pic. shows the not parallel gap between bridge and esc, wheel cock, it would suggest rather crude way to twist it to get closer to the lever (?). So, the esc. wheel cock is mounted with one screw on two brass pins 1.1mm. How would I (if I should) go about setting the esc. wheel vertically? Moving, bending, re-drilling? I am not sure about the value of this watch neither am I sure about the time and effort spent on it. I guess the adjustment of the distance between the lever and the esc. wheel failed and maybe that was the repair (?) bending the esc. wheel cock? Another problem is the time setting arrangements. After assembly and oiling the time setting worked ok until I wound the main spring to full... Few turns of the stem with the setting button pressed (?) seized something there and the time setting stopped working. I was puzzled as to how the friction arrangement worked and... I guess it is done on the bottom of the barrel (???) in the barrel cover. on it there is double wheel attached (P1010014-crop) and inside it is visible that the post is spread/riveted. At present I can still turn the brass wheel assembly on the brass post but it is very tight - I think it seized there. Am I correct? Is this the friction arrangement in this watch? Weird marriage of two same metals - prone to seizing... This is the riveting of the post (inside barrel side). There is brass tubular post riveted in the barrel cover (see P1010015-crop.JPG - also note the scratchings near the centre...), I you gentlemen have any idea (any including scraping the watch for parts) I will appreciate it. I hope I was clear in explaining the faults and also I apologize for my not top notch English. Regards
  15. zenon

    Tweezers advice?

    Very nice collection and I see I have several models missing... Also you have very nice candelabra :) ...
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