Forsining

[digginstony]

I was given this £20 automatic and was going to scrap it for any useful parts. Didn't look good on the timegrapher

But lets just demagnetize it. Glad I did

Think I'll keep it.

It had a centre second hand and sub second???

So I removed the centre second

 

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[ricardopalamino]

2 second hands ? Very interesting ....

[digginstony]

2 second hands ? Very interesting ....

The movement doesn't even hack. I've no idea why it would have 2 second hands. Also before demagnetising I would of swore it had issues in the escapement!

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[ricardopalamino]

13 hours ago, digginstony said:

The movement doesn't even hack. I've no idea why it would have 2 second hands. Also before demagnetising I would of swore it had issues in the escapement!

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You can synchronize watches with yourself......

[jdm]

The movement doesn't even hack. I've no idea why it would have 2 second hands.

Because the engineer had the idea of making a single movement where you fit a wheel or the other according to the need.
And then the maker had the idea of fitting both to make it look as it a complication in the hope of selling more.

[digginstony]

Because the engineer had the idea of making a single movement where you fit a wheel or the other according to the need.
And then the maker had the idea of fitting both to make it look as it a complication in the hope of selling more.

Got it now[emoji5]

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[szbalogh]

What is the movement?

[digginstony]

What is the movement?

I haven't had it apart but can't see any markings on the movement what so ever. Nothing under the balance wheel either I did check

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[digginstony]

What is the movement?

I had another look at the movement incase I missed something. Can't see any identification. Have posted pics incase it can be recognised. Tried to take rotor off assuming it was centre screw but it didn't want to shift even with gentle prising. Don't think the 2 side screws will lift the rotor out, more like the bearing will fall off inside the movement! Think it's a matter of taking the bridge off and see what's going on.
The watch has puzzled me, particularly the Timegrapher. Thought that first reading was more relevant to a loose stone or possibly the pallet stone was going too deep into the escapement wheel? Or something was touching. Can't see the relevance to magnetism?
Believe@Jdm explanation as a superfluous marketing gimmick to sell more is correct. Can't see it working, looks awful with 2 second hands in my view. I couldn't work out any functional reasons for 2 hands.
Not expecting any surprises. The manufacturer has probably extended the pivot on the 3rd wheel to allow for a sub second.
The movement, to me, looks cheap Chinese and Forsining (Who ever they are) have adapted a dial to the movement.


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[jdm]

It's the same as on my "fngeen"s (try saying that if you dare)

The watches themselves aren't ugly and I even sold one for 30 bucks . The others go for gifts anyway

I didn't took pics on the timegrapher... just the memory of that is enough 

 

 

[szbalogh]

4 hours ago, digginstony said:

I had another look at the movement incase I missed something. Can't see any identification. Have posted pics incase it can be recognised. Tried to take rotor off assuming it was centre screw but it didn't want to shift even with gentle prising. Don't think the 2 side screws will lift the rotor out, more like the bearing will fall off inside the movement! Think it's a matter of taking the bridge off and see what's going on.
The watch has puzzled me, particularly the Timegrapher. Thought that first reading was more relevant to a loose stone or possibly the pallet stone was going too deep into the escapement wheel? Or something was touching. Can't see the relevance to magnetism?
Believe@Jdm explanation as a superfluous marketing gimmick to sell more is correct. Can't see it working, looks awful with 2 second hands in my view. I couldn't work out any functional reasons for 2 hands.
Not expecting any surprises. The manufacturer has probably extended the pivot on the 3rd wheel to allow for a sub second.
The movement, to me, looks cheap Chinese and Forsining (Who ever they are) have adapted a dial to the movement.

Yes it is cheap chinese standard movement with some complications.

The rotor weight has a center screw, it should come out. But You can also go with the two small screws, the bearing wont fall out. The weight is usually to light to be efficient. 

The interesting part would be the sub-second function, how they did it. I have not seen such complication on this type of movement yet. But according the pictures it must be a simple extension of the second wheel. 

[digginstony]

Yes it is cheap chinese standard movement with some complications.
The rotor weight has a center screw, it should come out. But You can also go with the two small screws, the bearing wont fall out. The weight is usually to light to be efficient. 
The interesting part would be the sub-second function, how they did it. I have not seen such complication on this type of movement yet. But according the pictures it must be a simple extension of the second wheel. 

I've got a few things more pressing at the moment but I will take the movement apart and post some pictures.
The rotor seems to sit directly on top of a raised part of the bridge. I'll undo the centre screw again and give it a tug. If not I'll take the bridge and rotor off complete and have a look.

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[digginstony]

Yes it is cheap chinese standard movement with some complications.
The rotor weight has a center screw, it should come out. But You can also go with the two small screws, the bearing wont fall out. The weight is usually to light to be efficient. 
The interesting part would be the sub-second function, how they did it. I have not seen such complication on this type of movement yet. But according the pictures it must be a simple extension of the second wheel. 

Yep you were right. It's the 2 small screws that hold the rotor on.
It has a standard extention on the centre second hand.
And an extension on the 4th wheel. Of course the 4th wheel why did I say 3rd? Every sub second watch I've come across is the 4th wheel !


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[digginstony]

So what I thought was the 4th wheel wasn't . It's a module for possible chronograph?. Here's the movement with it removed and showing 4th wheel

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[digginstony]

Damm it it's the autowind. Brains gone dead !

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[digginstony]

After forgetting this was an auto and wondering what all the extra jewel and holes were for ! Have put the rotor back on. Very fiddly job having to line up reduction gears to there respective jewels and fit the bridge and rotor. Have posted some pics incase of any interest

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[szbalogh]

4 hours ago, digginstony said:

After forgetting this was an auto and wondering what all the extra jewel and holes were for ! Have put the rotor back on. Very fiddly job having to line up reduction gears to there respective jewels and fit the bridge and rotor. Have posted some pics incase of any interest

9 of 10 of these watches had non-efficient winding mechanism. The weight is to small. But they are a cheap enough to practice with

[digginstony]

9 of 10 of these watches had non-efficient winding mechanism. The weight is to small. But they are a cheap enough to practice with [emoji4]

Yep most of my work has been on pocket watches. Seiko was a good inroads for me. Ebay and the problem with any old movement's, so much has already been "Played " with. I find old manual wind Accurists with Swiss movements can be very nice.

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