Just look at this rubbish

[oldhippy]

Today I thought I'd pop over to good old ebay and have a look to see what was about in antique clocks. They never disappoint me because I can find rubbish which sellers try to palm of on people. 

This is todays find and what salesmanship it comes with. Tell me what you think is wrong and if you are right you win a peanut.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Antique-French-Surpintine-Mahogany-Inlaid-8-Day-Mantel-Carriage-Clock-/191905214083?hash=item2cae712e83:g:xmUAAOSwGIRXbVWx

[clockwatcher]

Hi OldHippy,

I know sweet Fanny Adams about clocks (or watches come to that) but, aside from the movement being cockeyed in the case, I'd say that the hands were wrong (too long) for a start.

[oldhippy]

Partly right about the hands but there's more to do with the hands and the clock.

[sstakoff]

I know nothing of clocks either but I would think it would be signed in French, not English. Close???

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[oldhippy]

12 minutes ago, sstakoff said:

I know nothing of clocks either but I would think it would be signed in French, not English. Close???

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Nope sorry.

[Gryf]

An inspection of the hour hand shows that the filigree bits aren't punched through in a couple or three places.

Is that it?

Gryf

[wls1971]

My guess is the platform escapement is a Swiss lever and far too modern for a antique clock so the sellers claim that the clock is all original is untrue ( a blatant lie actually ).

[wls1971]

Actually his listing states the case is all original not the movement my mistake I don't want to do the seller of this polished t$%d an injustice.

[oldhippy]

8 hours ago, wls1971 said:

My guess is the platform escapement is a Swiss lever and far too modern for a antique clock so the sellers claim that the clock is all original is untrue ( a blatant lie actually ).

You are correct. There is more.

[teegee]

Nice quizz!    I didn't even know there was such a thing as a mantel carriage clock. I thought this looked like a conversion from pendulum to carrriage (the mantel case can support a pendulum I guess), but there's no hole for a pendulum to pass through in the case cylinder. Is that carriage original?

How is this thing wound btw? With the big square arbor on the back?

[oldhippy]

It isn't a carriage clock, so you are right there. No conversion. You spotted how you wind it by the arbor at the back.

[clockboy]

The clock seems to have German style dial much the same found on 400 day clocks. The hands are just plain wrong & is it really mahogany. 

[oldhippy]

I have just emailed the seller with this. I'll let you know what his reply is, I bet there not pleased.

Why haven't you mentioned that the platform escapement is a replacement there for the clock isn't an antique as you have stated. You need to change this description immediately it's a false description and I'll instruct ebay if it's not changed A S A P.

 

[oldhippy]

No reply from the seller so I have contacted ebay direct.

[oldhippy]

This is the reply I got. So what do you think of it?

Thank you for your email, Kind Regards Kel

[anilv]

Ebay is only good if you know what you're buying.

Anil

[oldhippy]

5 minutes ago, anilv said:

Ebay is only good if you know what you're buying.

Anil

Agree. Someone will think this clock is wonderful when in fact they are buying a load of rubbish.

[szbalogh]

And what do You think of this? Chinese or real french? 

[oldhippy]

I don't think for one minute this is a French movement.

Hands are not fitted the way I would expect with a nice hand collet and pin. It looks like a modern nut.

Platform escapement looks modern and not very good the colour is also two modern.

What gives it away is the back plate. Oil sinks very shallow almost none existent. The righting is inconsistent and that arrow for the hands is so wrong it's not nice and its far too big. The screws are modern and incompatible.   

Is it from ebay?

Edited June 28, 2016 by oldhippy

[szbalogh]

1 hour ago, oldhippy said:

Is it from ebay?

Thank You for the informations!

No, its just a guys clock on another forum asking for the value. O dont know much about clock so i promised for him to ask a professional clockmaker

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, szbalogh said:

Thank You for the informations!

No, its just a guys clock on another forum asking for the value. O dont know much about clock so i promised for him to ask a professional clockmaker

It also looks poor quality brass going by the back plate.  

[oldhippy]

The answer to my original post.

It's what is called a marriage, a clock movement is put into another case very popular with Longcase clocks, many of you know these clocks as grandfather clocks.  

The case is fine looking and it has the correct description.

The movement comes from a different case and is what is called a drum fitting movement.

What gives it away is as clockboy said the dial and hands, if you look carefully the fitting of the hands is incorrect they should be held with a collet and pin, not a nut, the centre wheel has been altered to fit the dial, hands are bad they are modern they are not fine which you would expect if original.  The platform is a complete replacement and is nothing like what the original would have been.

Thanks for the input and it made it fun and games so everyone who took part you each win a peanut.

[atimegoneby]

On the same subject... I wonder what anyone thinks of this....

ebay item  282155112874      

[oldhippy]

That's not rubbish. Its a 30 hour Longcase clock dated about 1790 no later then 1800. There's a lot of work involved in putting it in good working order. Pity it doesn't have its original case. Its what as known as a cottage longcase. The painting of a cottage on the dial has nothing to do with the clock name. Very basic sometimes crude movements would be called such a name. More then likely the case would be made of oak and very plain.

[vinn3]

i just bought a "Shatz type"   ships clock.    its smaller and made of much heaver brass. it sounds like the same mvt..  the only writing is "made in germany"  and an insignia of what looks like wings (both on the dial).  i will be opening it for service and see any other writing.